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Originally posted by jessie1 ↑

Syp

100% correct!

The topic needs to be discussed. Some here like Nine Lives want to censor this debate and further, want to point the bone at individuals who have very clear arguments to make and even twist what they have to say in trying to make this a Good vs Evil (not even about the the topic, but about the posters).

Nine Lives has challenged me to back up what I said - "some of the "moderate" Islamic leadership will come out and say things publicly in an attempt to placate the wider community that they are doing everything possible to weed out the "radicals" and prevent the anti-Australian and harmful influences of the "radicals" on the "moderates", while behind closed doors, the messages to their own community are still mixed".

Nine Lives said:

Apart from falsely claiming I say that no Muslims are moderate, "No matter what links we put up you can just say oh, they are saying something different privately....even though you provide no evidence that this is the case"

I posted this a week or so ago, but for Nine Lives sake, here it is again (it is even worse because these leaders in the video claim that all Muslims have this same, what we might describe as radical, opinion):

"Peace Conference Scandinavia 2013" - according to them, the largest Islamic Scandinavian International event with about 4000 people attending (in Norway). There is an extremely interesting video where some leaders of Islam speaking at this conference actually try to prove that all Muslims views are similar on issues that Western media might label as radical views, however, if all Muslims share these views, it is impossible that all Islam is radical (here as quoted by them below, followed by their video).

"When Muslim organizations invite Shaykhs who speak openly about the values of Islam, the Islamophobic western media starts murdering the character of that organization and the invited speaker. The question these Islamophobic journalists need to reflect upon is; are these so called ''radical'' views that they criticize endorsed only by these few individuals being invited around the globe, or does the common Muslims believe in them. If the common Muslims believe in these values that means that more or less all Muslims are radical and that Islam is a radical religion. Since this is not the case, as Islam is a peaceful religion and so are the masses of common Muslims, these Shaykhs cannot be radical.

Here is a video of the above - Nine Lives - here is some evidence for you that there are many so-called "moderates" (in inverted commas because they are so-called moderates) who are indoctrinating many moderates (note, in this context, not in inverted commas because I am referring to the average muslim who is being indoctrinated by many so-called "moderates")

To reiterate, I believe that there is still a majority of Muslims who are moderate, but that there are a number of so-called "moderate" Muslim leaders who are steering this religion down a very dangerous course.

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It appears my demonstration by example that so-called "Moderates" are creating and leading a massive and dangerous shift in the expression of the faith of Islam was too hot to refute - that video from the interestingly named Peace Conference Scandinavia 2013 (the largest Islamic conference in that region) pretty much summed up the problem when that convener blatantly shot himself in the foot with his admissions. Here is the link again:

And for those who still believe its all a big beat up, or it is not an issue here in Australia, here is the Blog from that local (Sydney-based) Shia prominent community member (who spoke out on the news about the Sydney shooting yesterday) making the point very clear about the problem from the Shia perspective - and that is just the Shia side (some of their leaders and principles can be questioned too) - however, this is a local Muslim speaking and confirming the local problem is indeed a big problem:

http://jamaldaoud.blogspot.com.au/

"...The best part of the news was that Channel 7 did not seek opinion of extremists who were made by politicians and media as peace-doves and great fighters against terrorism. I was happy not to see the face of Samir Danden (President of Lebanese Moslem Association) and Jamal Rifi....

Samir Danden lead an organisation that ran lectures of Anwar AL Awlaki (number 1 on list of most dangerous terrorists in the world) on several occasions in the past. The senior clerk there had issued last year a fatwa that Muslims should not say “Merry Christmas” to their Christian neighbours or friends. But surprisingly, Mr Danden had the courage early this month to claim that radicalisation evident among some sections of the community are the work of anonymous people he called them “sheikh Google and Imam YouTube”.

He (Samer Danden) wanted to convince us that the 400 Australian terrorists fighting currently in Syria and Iraq were recruited by Facebook and Twitter of unknown and unqualified “sheikh Google”.

On the other hand, Jamal Rifi was on denial that there is any danger on Australia by radical groups and brainwashed individuals. Such lies that were quickly exposed and refuted by the recent developments.

The biggest lie of both Jamal Rifi and Samir Danden is their claim that they are “moderates” who will do all in their capacity to fight against radicalisation. As if we (as Muslims and as Australians) forgot that both were on the frontline advocating violence in Syria and fundraised large amounts of money for the Syrian “revolution”, the mother of global terrorism.

The Channel 7’s revelation of brainwashing sessions of kids happened in our suburbs and by known extremists. The revelation few weeks ago of the fundraising event where ISIS flag was auctioned for more than $2500. And the revelation of the fact that man y ISIS leaders in Syria and Iraq are Australians. All these revelations proved beyond any doubt that Samir Danden and Jamal Rifi were lying on all Australians for the last few months (in fact years).

The most important (and most disappointing) issue here is that the media and politicians are presenting these radicals (and few others) as the peace-doves and messiahs that will save Australia from any terrorist activity. Not only this. Media was trying to deceive all of us by promoting Jamal Rifi as “community leader that will run in the next state election to save our youth form radicalisation”. All these despite the fact that we provided these media with video clips showing Jamal Rifi advocating Australians to support Syrian “revolution”, the mother of global terrorism. And media knows very well about Lebanese Moslem Association and their promoting of radical Islam.

We hope that media and politicians will wake up soon. Such wake-up that will not start before media tells the truth about who really led the radicalisation of our youth, who facilitated their travel to fight in Syria and those who fundraised millions of dollars to fund terrorism in Syria.

Recently I asked one of my friends ABC journalist “are you too late for reporting on radicalisation in Australia?” He answered, with very embarrassed low tone “Yes, but it is always good to be late than never”