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Originally posted by stanjupiter: ↑

@Taurisk

You said you read some of my posts. I assumed you'd read the ones where I provided evidence that people who had a severe reaction (heart inflammation) after the first dose were refused an exemption for the second but you may not have done.

I wasn't saying you seemed OK with that. Most vaccine supporters at least look disturbed when I tell them this but they dismiss it as "just one or two cases". It wasn't. It was actually not uncommon here in Australia and in Europe. This is medical violence in the extreme.

I appreciate you said my concerns were justified because the vaccines were trialled quickly but don't you think those injuries should at least have been properly investigated before these drugs were FORCED onto the population, including pregnant women and babies as young as six months?

What about process one and process two? Is there any truth in what one of the lawyers who specialise in medical fraud says, that Pfizer had two processes and the product manufactured according to the second process is what ended up on the market, which was the one given to participants aged 12-15 where a very high rate of injuries occurred?

Pfizer instructed the FDA to ignore 100 participants for "reactogenicity".

Maddie de Garay was paralysed in a cohort of only 1131. The diagnosis was MIS-C. Parents were scared into getting Covid shots for their young children in order to reduce the risk of MIS-C. Do you have any concerns about this?

When you go to get another shot (and I wish you well), are you sure you're getting a consistent product and not one that comes from a dodgy batch? It's been reported in the MSM that some batches are bad. In Vietnam, 5 children died and 120 were hospitalised after Pfizer.

This should be seen in light of the low risk in children who contract Covid. A John Hopkins study in 48000 found no deaths of a healthy child under 18 from Covid. These data are supported by studies from the UK, Germany and Sweden.

As for trusting your doctor. I've spoken to 4 GPs and 1 pediatrician here in Melbourne. None of them had read the original clinical trials. One physician said he trusted "99.9% of the top experts". When I asked him to name one, he couldn't.

My experience with my children has taught me you most certainly can't blindly trust doctors.

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@stanjupiter - I am sorry, I voiced my opinion on here - I have only just now realised that EVERYTHING on HC is political. It has a strong right-wing bias - so do some of the journals you quote.
I have my bias, too, coming from a working-class background and having lost precious resources during the 2008-09 years, but 'my fault' - I volunteered, so I am not blaming anyone . . . . (and am trying to get it back, have kept up my losses on my tax returns.)
I may also have confused you with another poster, as I do not frequent these pages on a regular basis, but saw the name of a friend on here - and wondered -

re Covid: I have personal friends who were involved in various medical facilities, also overseas - and the stories I heard from them, were often heart-breaking. They certainly 'believed' in vaccination, so do I -
again my justification for my belief is the same as yours - I have chosen a side - you have done some intensive research. - I am lazy, leave this to the experts - I am not about to become a doctor or microbiologist, before I decide to be vaccinated against something pretty nasty, which can actually kill. - so my logic!
I did not do the due diligence you seem to have done, too busy, trying to enjoy life, or just getting through life at times . . .

As a group of friends - we were formerly all members of a club at which my husband and I were very active - - we were astonished about a former employee, who, together with his wife ran the kitchen - very professionally~!! - - who turned out to be non-vaccers and we told each other 'if you run into him/them, don't talk about Covid'. (He regularly sells his wares at a public market here in Perth and is a truly nice bloke, so is his wife!).

There is another acquaintance of mine, who is similar, and I avoid the subject - more recently it turns out, he supports the Russians in the Ukraine war - and he abused me, before I even responded to his latest argument/diatribe - so that is 'sort of' finished, anyway. He likes to fancy himself an 'original and independent thinker' - no point getting a hearing from such people, they like to be heard, but do not listen.
I suspect a lot of anti-vaccers like to think of themselves in that fashion, too - definitely not you, you are too well researched, have put the work in.

Then, of course, I discovered, that factions began to appear all over the internet - evidence amassed, aggressions were let loose on both sides - and I decided; I can only trust my present doctor, who so far has always done the right thing by me.

So in my mind: "people of a 'different' attitude towards Covid, may have done some homework, but many are driven by a need to be different, to be shown to be an 'individualist'.
This is just IMO and I would not apply this to everybody who thinks Covid jabs are a bad idea. I went for years without even having a flu vacc, until one year I had the granddaddy of the flu, when overseas - had to be wheeled around airports in a wheelchair, I was so sick. So now I make sure, I have the flu vaccine, except I have forgotten about it this year, because I was 'otherwise engaged'; I suffered from depression over the untimely death of one of my daughters - didn't give a damn about anything for a long time - am o.k. now.

I do know about manipulation etc., the influence of Big Pharma etc., I do know about the initial trials - however, my doctor was/is well informed and advised me well. If you ask me now, which of the jabs I had, I can't even tell you - all I can tell you that in my environment, with the exception of that German guy, who I have known for years, and wrote about in my previous post, everyone is vaccinated.

I have some family in Germany, too, and some of the younger and still working generation had a second helping of Covid, despite having had the jab. So it is not as effective as we would wish it to be - possibly there are new variants developing all the time - possibly another, new and resistant Covid virus is on the march.

So please don't worry yourself about me - we have to die from something, no-one escapes that truism.
I apologise if I have offended you, and I hope you live a long life.
Go well
Taurisk