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    however, about unchosen brain conditions, lesions, chemical imbalances, undeveloped neural structures, etc, these can probably occur to such a degree that the organism has very little self-consciousness

    the mind is so retarded or impaired that the concept of 'self' does not develop

    for example, a severe psychiatric patient may have such large chemical imbalances and may be so stoned on medication that their 'self-consciousness' or 'self-concept' is totally impaired

    that being the case, they do not suffer because the mind is so stoned on medication; for which the medication inhibits any significant generation of the 'self-concept'

    therefore, back to Buddha, his absolute truth about suffering does not include the extremities you are attempting to include within the definition of 'suffering'

    in other words, the extreme examples you are choosing are not relevant to the absolute truth revealed by Buddha

    worse, your denial of this absolute truth will lead to your harm & suffering for a long time, since when the inevitably of aging, illness, death, loss, etc, come to you, you may not understand how to deal with it

    instead, when you are old & dying, in your desperation, you may possible cry out to 'God' or 'Jesus' to save you

    this can & does occur to unenlightened atheists

    a commentary is below, from a book that received a UNESCO award:

    Coming into this hospital has inspired me to think of a feature of the commentaries, namely that of calling the Buddha the "Spiritual Doctor". Following the meaning of some of the Buddha's teachings and their subsequent explanation in the commentaries, there arose a principle that recognized two kinds of disease - physical disease and mental disease. In the texts, the term "mental disease" is used, but there it does not have the same meaning that it does today. In the time of the Buddha, "mental disease" referred to an illness of view or desire. These days, however, it refers to ordinary mental ailments that have their base in the body and are mixed up with physical disease. To prevent this hindering our understanding of the term illness of the spirit, I would like to establish a third term. Let us consider physical and mental diseases as both being physical, and use the term "spiritual disease" as an equivalent of the term "mental disease" used in the Buddha's time.

    The words "spiritual" and "mental" have widely divergent meanings. "Mental" refers to the mental factors that are connected to and associated with the body. If we suffer from mental illnesses, we go to a psychiatric hospital or an asylum not – it’s not a spiritual matter. The word "spirit" here doesn't mean spirit in the sense of a ghost or a being that takes possession of people or anything like that, but it refers to the subtle aspects of the mind that are ill through the power of defilement, in particular through ignorance or wrong view. The mind composed of ignorance or wrong view suffers from the "spiritual disease"; it sees falsely. Seeing falsely causes it to think falsely, speak falsely, and act falsely, and the disease lies right there in the false thought, false speech, and false action.

    You will see immediately that everyone, without exception, has the spiritual disease. As for physical and mental diseases, they only occur in some people at some times. They are not so terrible. They don't give people the constant suffering with every inhalation and exhalation that spiritual disease does. Thus, physical and mental diseases are not dealt with by the Buddhist Teachings, which are the cure for the "spiritual disease", or with the Buddha. who is the "Doctor of the Spirit". Thus there remains only that which the commentators called "mental disease" and which we have decided to call "spiritual disease".
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