Russia Ukraine war

Originally posted by Max5 ↑

Why are you in such pig-headed denial over what Kuleba and Arakhamia have said ?

The claim that the peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine was nearly signed in 2022 was denied by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba. Kuleba: “There was no agreement. Starting a dialogue and making a commitment are two completely different things.”

Accordingly, David Arakhamia did not say that Ukraine was ready to sign a document promising peace in exchange for neutrality. Arakhamia’s interview reveals that Ukraine was not going to sign the document even before receiving Boris Johnson’s advice, therefore, it is manipulative to claim that the Russia-Ukraine agreement failed because of Boris Johnson or that Ukraine made the decision because of his position.

It truly amazes me how the pro Putin crowd here, including you, will go on and on despite being given facts which effectively shatter the myth that Boris was responsible for the 'agreement' (there was no agreement anyway !) not being signed.
It's the same old crud from you lot....just like the Kremlin....keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again and ignore everything else staring at you in the face which tells you there was no agreement....and the agreement (more accurately described as Putin's demands) which you highlighted earlier apart from anything else sought guarantees from the US, UK, France and China which I note you carefully avoided addressing earlier, was unlikely to ever be agreed to. Why did you dodge that issue ? You think Boris for one would have agreed to that ? How about Biden ? What about Macron ? And Xi ? Give me a break. Think about it. Come on tell me what chance do you think there would have been in them agreeing to that term/condition ? So there was obviously no agreement ready to be signed despite what the War Monger in the Kremlin and his mouthpieces have told you.
But to try and keep the myth going in your desperation you now resort to the very weak 'but where there's smoke there's fire' because you're incapable and unwilling to address the bigger questions and just how, for example, the guarantees from those countries were ever going to happen, much less Ukraine agreeing to his other demands which you've highlighted.
Give me a break...any logic deficiencies on the 'it's all Boris's fault' front rest with you and your mates in my opinion.

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"Why are you in such pig-headed denial over what Kuleba and Arakhamia have said ?"

Are we talking about the same Arakhamia?

April 2 (Reuters) - A Ukrainian negotiator said on Saturday Russia had indicated that draft peace treaty documents were at an advanced enough stage to allow for direct consultations between the two nations' leaders, Interfax Ukraine reported.
The agency quoted David Arakhamia as telling Ukrainian television that Russia accepted Ukraine's overall position with the exception of its stance on Crimea.

David Arakhamia, head of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky’s party in parliament and a member of Kyiv’s negotiating team, told the Financial Times that the parties were close to agreement on the security guarantees and Ukraine’s EU bid, but urged caution about the prospects for a breakthrough.

“[The Russians] were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality like Finland once did. And we were ready to make a commitment that we would not join NATO. When we returned from Istanbul, [then-British Prime Minister] Boris Johnson came to Kiev and said: ‘Do not sign anything with them at all; just go to war,’” Arakhamia said.

Moreover, when we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we would not sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight."

Arakhamia added that Boris Johnson, U.K. prime minister at the time, arrived in Kyiv shortly after the delegation had returned from negotiations and encouraged Ukraine to keep fighting.

When asked why Ukraine did not agree, he replied that for this, firstly, it was necessary to change the Constitution, and secondly, there is no trust in the Russians that they will fulfill it. He also said that Boris Johnson came to Kyiv then and said that he did not want to sign anything with the Russians and "let's just fight."

It should be noted that the media has repeatedly reported that the Ukrainian authorities refused to sign the agreement in the spring of 2022 after negotiations with Johnson. And now, as we can see, Arakhamia has actually confirmed this.
The war could end in the spring of 2022 - David Arakhamia (strana.today)

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Head of Ukraine's leading party claims Russia proposed "peace" in exchange for neutrality (yahoo.com)

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Ukraine says Russia thinks nations' leaders can consult on draft treaty documents - Interfax | Reuters

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