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01/09/14

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Originally posted by wafflehead ↑

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Firstly, I have to agree with you to an extent, but you are taking a snap-shot in time and looking at a religious archaeological backwater. These people should be seen for what they are, products of an intransigent belief system that is religiously fascist.

Fortunately science has lifted the lid off a whole series of old-world religious beliefs and found them to be wanting. Religious writings need to be looked at with fresh eyes to see the real intended meaning and thus rendered meaningful to people of reason.

This still leaves us with a grand conundrum - nothing self-generates into systems of order without cause. Now you might get all bitter and twisted by folk who label that cause God. But once you enter deeply into science with an open mind there is no more obvious conclusion than that some kind of force or presence has a desire or vested interest, call it what you will, in the unfolding universe and its habitation.

Throw out all the crap about what people think they know about the nature of God and there still has to be a progenitor or something that established cause. From some nebulous cloud of hydrogen or singularity or big bang, whatever, perfect systems for the propagation of life just happened?

No atheist with a reasonable education could possibly believe that. That's even more out there than fundamentalist religious beliefs. The theory of 'it just happened', I don't think so, then we are better off with religious fairy stories.

Even in science nothing just happens without cause. And then you have to come up with a reason for the spontaneous eruption of self-replicating pre-life forms, RNA or some such thing, and then the irrepressible march of evolution that has overcome so many near death blows to produce a sentient being.

There is predestined cause at work. Now religion in the fullness of time will speak in the language of science, reason and spiritual concepts all combined. Literalism will fall away, preachers, popes, bishops, pastors, mullahs etc, etc, will be seen for the most part as good intentioned people, yet unnecessary adjuncts to gain spiritual knowledge.

Religion is capable of delivering as much benefit to the human condition as has science. Even though science has freed us from religious ignorance, science without the guidance of religion could lead us into a very dark place.

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There is predestined cause at work? You are asserting that. It may be true, but we don't know yet and there isn't any evidence to suggest that. This sounds very similar to the 'we don't understand that, therefore an intelligent being must have done it'. Isn't impressive an argument at all.
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