remember when bin laden worked for bush the elder, page-14

bj is full of it....: remember when bin laden work Just an example how twisted, uninformed and truley blinded by the facts you really are, beetleprick

You made a comment to a poster today that "facts" can be cresated and hence colour or view.

Now.....

About the atomic bomb and how the pathetic revisionists of history are so totally farked....

....they simply dismiss (as they do in the article you post) that the bomb ended the war and that there's no "proof" Japan wasnt going to surrender and that the estimated casualties were somehow "manufactued.

Now beetle brain I know a little bit about the Second WW and my father was a prisoner of the glorious Nipponese forces and was indeed captured in the Pacific

The bomb was dropped in Ausgust.

In the last battle before this (and indeed one of the main reason the Allies chose to proceed with the bomb) was the Battle for Okinowa.

Now there..... the Japs gave us all a prelue to what lay before us in a campaign in Japan

Facts bettlebrain...facts

In the Battle of Okinawa more people died than all those killed during the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Casualties totaled more than 38,000 Americans wounded and 12,000 killed or missing, more than 107,000 Japanese and Okinawan conscripts killed, and perhaps 100,000 Okinawan civilians who perished in the battle.

The battle of Okinawa proved to be the bloodiest battle of the Pacific War. Thirty-four allied ships and craft of all types had been sunk, mostly by kamikazes, and 368 ships and craft damaged. The fleet had lost 763 aircraft. Total American casualties in the operation numbered over 12,000 killed [including nearly 5,000 Navy dead and almost 8,000 Marine and Army dead] and 36,000 wounded. Navy casualties were tremendous, with a ratio of one killed for one wounded as compared to a one to five ratio for the Marine Corps. Combat stress also caused large numbers of psychiatric casualties, a terrible hemorrhage of front-line strength. There were more than 26,000 non-battle casualties.

There was absolutely NO DOUBT that the cost of this battle, in terms of lives, time, and material, weighed heavily in the decision to use the atomic bomb against Japan just six weeks later.

Japanese human losses were enormous: 107,539 soldiers killed and 23,764 sealed in caves or buried by the Japanese themselves; 10,755 captured or surrendered. The Japanese lost 7,830 aircraft and 16 combat ships.

Since many Okinawan residents fled to caves where they subsequently were entombed the precise number of civilian casualties will probably never be known, but the lowest estimate is 42,000 killed. Somewhere between one-tenth and one-fourth of the civilian population perished, though by some estimates the battle of Okinawa killed almost a third of the civilian population.

According to US Army records during the planning phase of the operation, the assumption was that Okinawa was home to about 300,000 civilians. At the conclusion of hostilities around 196,000 civilians remained. However,

US Army figures for the 82 day campaign showed a total figure of 142,058 civilian casualties, including those killed by artillery fire, air attacks and those who were pressed into service by the Japanese army.