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    Ronsterm

    "Now it is becoming silly. Please clarify that if you can and state how she became my "sacrificial lamb""

    Well, firstly, make sure you keep my statement in context -

    I said "So Jill Meagher is one of the sacrificial lambs that are required for your argument to stand?"

    in reply to your comment:

    "As tacky a thing to say(I've never been accused of good taste),this particular murder you refer to is neither here nor there in relation to larger questions of civil liberties vis a vis "public safety" however that is construed."

    No further clarification required on that point - you can't unbake a cake...that's what you said - indeed, "pretty tacky".

    Anyway:

    "Should all phone calls be recorded? All web pages viewed? All emails? All cars tracked(all mobile phones are)?"

    Perhaps in some cases - it depends on the context. And automatic recording of everything does not imply automatic listening or viewing either, but if it is available to be accessed in cases of potential crime being committed, then yes. However, it means that appropriate checks and balances are required to ensure data is only checked if there is an "order" for it to be reviewed.

    Okay Ron, from a Civil Libertarian perspective, what do you say is acceptable? Where do you draw the line in terms of surveillance?

    Are you comfortable with your money in the bank? Are you comfortable with a credit card? At a certain point, you have to accept the fact that your data is going to be stored. Civil Libertarians should change tack and be more focused on the checks and balances in place to ensure data is kept as secure as possible, rather than focusing solely on the argument that anything recorded is an invasion of civil liberties.

    Obviously there are going to be scenarios where commonsense should prevail...

    ...that's where my original comment began:

    "there is often a focus on the negatives of these sorts of things, but let's also weigh up the positives of "surveillance".

    I'm happy to say that there is good and bad in all of this. I'm not toeing any ideological line to the letter.


 
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