I wouldn't be looking for too much sense form old lucas zzzdz. His last non-response to my post indicates that he has no idea that he has even lost the argument. All of a sudden he brings in the UK...Excuse me... has there been a disaster in the UK....??? Oh I see it's just that IF they had a disaster, lucas is sure, because they are a welfare state, that it would be even worse than in the US...LOL too pathetic....