clocks stopping at time of death, page-64

Hi Bowral

Thanks for your replies, I'll try to respond to all of them in this post.
Been out building all day...

I understand that the concept of the trinity is not unique to christianity, hinduism has it too with brahma, shiva, vishnu,
and I think that the egyptians had some type of trinity too.

I always thought it strange that the god of judaism is quite unlike the god of christianity even though it is claimed that they are both the same, one being a tribal god yahweh, el, el shaddai+another hundred or so names etc and the other being the universal god of all humanity. Perhaps the role of jesus was the universalizing of a tribal god into a universal god.
Judaism doesn't have much of a concept of the afterlife as christianity does, and is more concerned with the here and now and giving the neighbouring tribes a bit of ethnic cleansing.
So it all gets too confusing, at least looking from the outside as an interested observer,as we have an eternal god that seems to change his mind and nature, and different rules for different people and different times.

I understand what you say about the catholic church. Not so much in defence of it but as an observation, there wouldn't be a christian religion today without it having been developed and spread throughout the roman empire. OK, there would have been a few sects like the Copts and some syrian churches that could have managed to rock on under the radar but I doubt that you or I would have heard of christianity without the catholic church.

I have a seventh day adventist as one neighbour and a pentacostalist/baptist as another. I have some great conversations with them both and they are truly great friends and neighbours, and they both hate the catholic church.Funny thing is I never hear them bagging the eastern orthodox church, which is simply catholicism after the schism, nor the church of england which is simply the catholic church minus the pope.

You seem to have done a great job in logically dismembering the trinity. That is the way I look at these things and I don't care how many billion people have believed X (and there must be literally billions over the centuries), if it doesn't make sense to me then out it goes.

cheers and thanks for the great discussion(applies to all here as well)