22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
bruceyg, the point im trying to make is,if you believe in the trinity,you actually deny that jesus is gods son,that text applies to trinitarians,because the trinity denys the father son relationship. the trinity states that the father son relationship is just role playing so we can understand how close their relationship is,but it is not literal,and jesus only became gods son at the incarnation here on earth
do you believe that?
if you dont hold to the belief in the trinity, then nothing i say will convince you.
you actually need the third person of the trinity to convict you - the holy spirit
no bruce that is what you have been taught through orthodox christian belief,if the holy spirit is another being apart from jesus and god,why did jesus say he would send another comforter?
and please tell me how could god die?
if the trinity is true,sin called for a divine sacrifice?
how can that be if jesus is the self existent god? how could the world keep going if god was dead?
as you say?thats not a hard question?
"if you dont hold to the belief in the trinity then nothing i say will convince you.
you actually need the third person of the trinity to convict you - the holy spirit"
is that your belief?what you have been taught to believe? or can you show me that from the scriptures? thats a big statement
