Ioric, you give me a reference from Barnaby Joyce. The reference I gave you was directly from last years myefo statement and are Government historical figures. They have not been interpreted by Barnaby Joyce. It is true Whitlam was a big reform Government.It is however true and verified in the figures I supplied you from myefo that the Frazer/Howard Govt GREATLY outspent the Whitlam Govt.At least we know what Whitlam spent the money on.....education,health,etc.What great reform do have to show for Frazer........7 years of nothing.