well done howes,time for some honesty might be here. look out shorten,you have tony on one side,howes on the other. I'd say you are certain gonner,shortly shorten. I think howes is beginning to distance him self from,labor shameful stigma,of the past 6 years. whether it works,with voter,or not will have to wait and see. either way,labor is in deep trouble,when one of their own crosses the line,howse has certainly done just that. good on you howse.