open system theory applied to evolution., page-200

Manny,

"Trademanic asked for observable evidence of Darwinian evolution of something changing its kind."

Yes he did.

"In my last post I pointed out 4 examples."

No you didn't.

"Example one:


Two strains of Drosophila paulistorum developed hybrid sterility of male offspring between 1958 and 1963."

Is STILL Drosophila paulistorum, what different kind of thing is it turning into?

"Example two:

Evidence that a species of fireweed formed by doubling of the chromosome count, from the original stock. (Note that polyploids are generally considered to be a separate "race" of the same species as the original stock, but they do meet the criteria which you suggested.)
(Test for speciation: cannot produce offspring with the original stock.)

Is STILL fireweed, what different kind of thing is it turning into?

"Example three:


Rapid speciation of the Faeroe Island house mouse, which occurred in less than 250 years after man brought the creature to the island. "

Awesome, so what did the mouse turn into? Please don't disappoint by saying it's still a mouse?


"Example four:


Formation of five new species of cichlid fishes which formed since they were isolated less than 4000 years ago from the parent stock, Lake Nagubago.
(Test for speciation in this case is by morphology and lack of natural interbreeding. These fish have complex mating rituals and different coloration. While it might be possible that different species are inter-fertile, they cannot be convinced to mate.) "

And yet again, the cichlids are still cichlids?

Is that the best you've got?

I'd call that four strikes in a row, which I guess is, as you say, 'game, set, match'.

So to sum up, what you have shown us is that genes have properties (micro evolution that nobody disputes anyway.). Thanks for that.


"Previously, I showed him transitional fossils(ape to human)"

No you didn't, you showed him a nice graphic of skulls arranged in a particular order.

"There is nothing he can respond with now."

No, there is nothing ANYONE can respond with to the faithful. :)

"Game Set Match"

In your dreams.