Did Jesus Die on a Cross?, page-742

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you say

What can I say,

i say

Dunno, try the truth for once

you say

your posts verge on the delusional -' could have been Nebuchadnezzar' - does not mean it was Nebuchadnezzar, which you claimed I said. It was a casual remark. One I should have known better than to make considering who I'm dealing with.

i say

You clearly referenced it to try and prove a point which you clearly failed at, own up to your failings

you say

It could have been this, it could have been that. Nobody knows, the timing of the references or who it refers to cannot be established.

That was the point.

i say

IF NO ONE KNOWS WHO IT IS, THEN CLEARLY NO ONE KNOWS WHO IT ISN'T EITHER

and that's the point

you say

That still does not alter the fact that your claim of Lucifer the fallen angel being mentioned is false, that does not alter the fact that switching to prophesy when time lines and references to an unknown king of Babylon was false.

i say

HOW CAN IT BE FALSE WHEN IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN THE KING JAMES VERSION???????????

Isaiah 14:12King James Version (KJV)
¹² How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

DBT9 Lucifer is clearly mentioned, and you have stated that no one knows, so any claim by yourself about who Isaiah was refering to is mute after that point


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer


Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/;^[1][2][3] LOO-sif-ər) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlêl^[4] or heylel,^[5] occurs once in the Hebrew Bible^[4] and according to the KJV-based Strong's Concordance means "shining one, light-bearer".^[5] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος^{[6][7][8][9][10]} (heōsphoros),^[11][12][13] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.^[14] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,^[15] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,^[16][17] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".^[18]
Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall.^[19] As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan/the Devil in the church and in popular literature",^[15] as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno, Joost van den Vondel's Lucifer and John Milton's Paradise Lost.^[13] However, the Latin word never came to be used almost exclusively, as in English, in this way, and was applied to others also, including Jesus.^[20] The image of a morning star fallen from the sky is generally believed among scholars to have a parallel in Canaanite mythology.^[21]
However, according to both Christian^[22] and Jewish exegesis, in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar II, conqueror of Jerusalem, is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called the "Morning Star" (planet Venus).^[23][24] In this chapter the Hebrew text says הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, "shining one, son of the morning").^[25] "Helel ben Shahar" may refer to the Morning Star, but the text in Isaiah 14 gives no indication that Helel was a star or planet.^[26][27]