DBT9
you say
What can I say,
i say
Dunno, try the truth for once
you say
your posts verge on the delusional -'
could have been Nebuchadnezzar' - does not mean it was Nebuchadnezzar, which you claimed I said. It was a casual remark. One I should have known better than to make considering who I'm dealing with.
i say
You clearly referenced it to try and prove a point which you clearly failed at, own up to your failings
you say
It could have been this, it could have been that. Nobody knows, the timing of the references or who it refers to cannot be established.
That was the point.
i say
IF NO ONE KNOWS WHO IT IS, THEN CLEARLY NO ONE KNOWS WHO IT ISN'T EITHER
and that's the point
you say
That still does not alter the fact that your claim of Lucifer the fallen angel being mentioned is false, that does not alter the fact that switching to prophesy when time lines and references to an unknown king of Babylon was false.
i say
HOW CAN IT BE FALSE WHEN IT IS CLEARLY STATED IN THE KING JAMES VERSION???????????
Isaiah 14:12King James Version (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations
DBT9 Lucifer is clearly mentioned, and you have stated that no one knows, so any claim by yourself about who Isaiah was refering to is mute after that point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Lucifer (
/ˈluːsɪfər/;
[1][2][3] LOO-sif-ər) is the
King James Version rendering of the
Hebrew word הֵילֵל in
Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated
hêlêl[4] or
heylel,
[5] occurs once in the
Hebrew Bible[4] and according to the KJV-based
Strong's Concordance means "shining one, light-bearer".
[5] The
Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in
Greek as ἑωσφόρος
[6][7][8][9][10] (
heōsphoros),
[11][12][13] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.
[14] The word
Lucifer is taken from the
Latin Vulgate,
[15] which translates הֵילֵל as
lucifer,
[16][17] meaning "the morning star, the
planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
[18]
Later
Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star",
lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the
devil; as he was before his fall.
[19] As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan/the Devil in the church and in popular literature",
[15] as in
Dante Alighieri's
Inferno,
Joost van den Vondel's
Lucifer and
John Milton's
Paradise Lost.
[13] However, the Latin word never came to be used almost exclusively, as in English, in this way, and was applied to others also, including
Jesus.
[20] The image of a morning star fallen from the sky is generally believed among
scholars to have
a parallel in
Canaanite mythology.
[21]
However, according to both Christian
[22] and
Jewish exegesis, in the
Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the
King of Babylon,
Nebuchadnezzar II, conqueror of Jerusalem, is condemned in a
prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called the "Morning Star" (planet Venus).
[23][24] In this chapter the
Hebrew text says הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (
Helel ben Shachar, "shining one, son of the morning").
[25] "
Helel ben Shahar" may refer to the
Morning Star, but the text in Isaiah 14 gives no indication that Helel was a star or planet.
[26][27]
