sparky - the point i am trying to make is that the libs had become so used to labor having poor leadership, that when actully confronted with it, they melted - they were totally outplayed by a very organised & disciplined team
along with factional fighting to back up their poor performances at state level, unless they have someone called the mesiah, they will be in opposition for some time - they need a huge broom thru' their party at all levels
