I see absolutely nothing in the presentation that excites me.A lot of "objectives" that need to be met before anything positive can happen.I like the optimistic share price they are quoting - cce 3.4 and vsg 1.9 - I'd like to see that. I'm afraid these two companies are in for a a very flate ride until Mid next year or until some sales figures come out at which stage I'll be bailing."Not waving - drowing" comes to mind here.