Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
The Drudge report times out.
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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Sharenot so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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Sharere: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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Sharere: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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Sharelook who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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Sharere: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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ShareThere are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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Sharesandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.
The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareVery direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.
A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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Sharerogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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ShareSo you can see both sides of the story matty.
I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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ShareAgree seuss.
I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareI know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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ShareWe'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!
We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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ShareI am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)
I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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ShareI find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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ShareShadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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Sharere: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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Your description of the funding structure for a retailer, including the interplay between trade creditors and bank loan facility, makes complete sense to me.
The point where I disagree is when you claim that the net current liability calculation should include the bank loans that are drawn and classified as non-current. The reason why I disagree is that such a calculation does not reflect the capability of the Company to roll its Working Capital position into the following financial year.
In fact, the right for the Company to defer settlement of its bank liabilities for at least twelve months beyond the reporting date (which is what entitles the Company to classify such liabilities as non-current, according to AASB101.69(d)) is essential when it comes to assessing that capability.
In other words, it is no problem running a negative Net Current Asset position (i.e. [Total Current Assets] – [Total Liabilities] < 0), when the Company has the right to roll a sufficient portion of its Total Liabilities into the following year (thereby classifying them as non-current), so that the Working Capital position is positive (i.e. [Total Current Assets] – [Total Current Liabilities] > 0).
But, when the Working Capital position is negative (i.e. [Total Current Assets] – [Total Current Liabilities] > 0), the Company must be able to
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1) Cover the shortfall with Free Cash Flow,
or
2) Borrow the amount necessary to cover the shortfall (net of the Free Cash Flow generated) from a credit facility whose settlement can be deferred to the following financial year (i.e. a non-current one).
Therefore, what I think is really important to check is not the amount of non-current bank loans (i.e. what has already been drawn from the bank facility), but whether the undrawn portion of the credit line (together with the expected future Free Cash Flow) is enough to cover the Working Capital deficit.
I will better illustrate my point by showing the evolution of SFH’s Working Capital position over time, vis-à-vis its availability for credit (i.e. its undrawn credit line) and its Free Cash Flow generation.
Working Capital (WC) = [Current Assets] – [Current Liabilities]
FY2008: -25.91m$
FY2009: -47.69m$
FY2010: -10.66m$
FY2011: -17.66m$
FY2012: -22.18m$
FY2013: +6.92m$
FY2014: +12.27m$
FY2015: +14.99m$
FY2016: +2.61m$
FY2017: +2.57m$
HY2018: -20.45m$
Undrawn Credit Line (UCL)
FY2008: 18.18m$
FY2009: 29.25m$
FY2010: 92.00m$
FY2011: 78.00m$
FY2012: 78.50m$
FY2013: 48.00m$
FY2014: 40.88m$
FY2015: 50.78m$
FY2016: 30.56m$
FY2017: 24.68m$
HY2018: 14.37m$ [*]
[*]: includes the scheduled reduction in total credit availability to 22.00m$ as of Jun 30th 2018.
As you can see, the Company has run a negative Working Capital position before (namely between FY2008 and FY2012). In particular, in FY2008 and FY2009 the Undrawn Credit Line was not sufficient to cover the Working Capital Deficit, as we can see from looking at the aggregate:
WC + UCL
FY2008: -7.74m$
FY2009: -18.45m$
FY2010: +81.34m$
FY2011: +60.34m$
FY2012: +56.32m$
FY2013: +54.92m$
FY2014: +53.15m$
FY2015: +65.77m$
FY2016: +33.17m$
FY2017: +27.25m$
HY2018: -6.13m$ [*]
But, when WC + UCL was negative in the past, the Free Cash Flow generated in the next financial year was always enough to cover the shortfall; indeed, the Company generated +15.99m$ in Free Cash Flow in FY2009 and +22.69m$ in FY2010. And, between FY2010 and FY2017, WC + UCL has always been comfortably positive, before dropping to negative in HY2018 (once the scheduled reduction in the UCL is factored in).
The difference this time is that the Free Cash Flow expectation for the next semester (to Jun 30th 2018) is negative (as you have calculated by yourself), therefore the shortfall is no longer covered.
So, let’s take SFH’s Working Capital position as of Dec 31st 2017:
Current Assets
Cash: 27.7m$
Receivables: 11.3m$
Inventory: 81.9m$
Total Current Assets: 120.9m$
Current Liabilities
Payables: 103.7m$
Provisions: 21.3m$
Other: 16.4m$
Total Current Liabilities: 141.4m$
Net Working Capital: -20.5m$
For the sake of simplicity, I will just use your assumption of a -8.5m$ negative Free Cash Flow in the half year to Jun 30th 2018 (on aggregate, it does look like a reasonably conservative assumption to me). I will also work under your assumption (which I agree with) that any residual Cash needs to be used to bring Payables roughly back in line with the level of Inventory.
Before any further movements, the Working Capital situation as of Jun 30th 2018 will then look as follows:
Current Assets
Cash: nil
Receivables: 11.3m$
Inventory: 81.9m$
Total Current Assets: 93.2m$
Current Liabilities
Payables: 84.5m$ (=103.7m$-27.7m$+8.5m$)
Provisions: 21.3m$
Other: 16.4m$
Total Current Liabilities: 122.2m$
Net Working Capital: -29.0m$
You are right in that Inventory will have to be lower, after the closure of an additional 50-60 shops in the second half, and that the reduction in Inventory will allow for a corresponding reduction in Payables. I do not see that as being really relevant, though, when it comes to figuring out how the Working Capital deficit can be sustained.
From the 2017 Annual Report (pages 77-79), one can see that Provisions and Other Current Liabilities (which will be the drivers of the Working Capital deficit once Net Payables are back in line with Inventory) contain the following items:
a) Income Tax Provision
b) Employee Benefits Provision
c) Sales Return Provision
d) Lease Make Good Provision
e) Stepped Lease Provision
f) Deferred Lease Incentives
g) Deferred Revenue
These are all expected payments (or differences vis-à-vis reported Revenues/Costs) whose exact timing and/or amount is uncertain (hence why they are classified as Provisions, as per AASB137); nevertheless, their inclusion under Current Liabilities does reflect the expectation that commensurate amounts will actually have to be settled and will therefore impact the net cash position of the Company.
Quoting directly from AASB137.14:
A provision shall be recognised when: (a) an entity has a present obligation (legal or constructive) as a result of a past event; (b) it is probable that an outflow of resources embodying economic benefits will be required to settle the obligation; and (c) a reliable estimate can be made of the amount of the obligation. If these conditions are not met, no provision shall be recognised.
To conclude, I do agree that, under the assumption of a negative -8.5m$ net cash flow in JH2018, the Company would still be able to roughly realign Payables with Inventory without running out of cash. But, because the Working Capital position would further deteriorate to a negative 29.0m$, with only 14.4m$ of available credit line to draw from, after Jun 30th 2018, I do still see a real chance of fresh equity capital being needed, if new funding arrangement with lenders cannot be secured.
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ShareMaybe this sheds some light on it ............................
He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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ShareI get your drift joewolf.
The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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ShareAt this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.
CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Sharere: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!
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ShareWhat a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!
Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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