Noah and his Ark, page-1061

Poor wotsup. I could not give a toss as to when John was sent. As far as I know John was made by the jiga jiga between a man and a woman.

YOU need to give a toss, as the discussion, point WE were debating IS, when we see the term Jesus was "sent" into the world = when was it exactly.
John 1:6-7 - There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. = Believe in what = The Word of God and then as per 1 Peter 1:23 = born again.
(Now I think he was around 6 mths older than Jesus and it was "at" this age WHEN he was sent "into" the world, or what that term means.
After he was led and guided by God = exactly the same for Jesus.
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Luke 3:22 - And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Due 18:18-19 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Luke 8:13 - They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Summary of points;
1. The word = The meaning of The word as DEFINED, SHOWN by Jesus here is The Word = The Word of God.
2. John 12:49 from Jesus's OWN words, He says He is NOT the word, but only SPEAKS them and not to mention, you CANNOT be the words of someone else's you repeat, pass on.
3. Heb 1:1-2 Makes it VERY clear, God has ONLY spoken in and through Jesus in these Last Days = No way could Jesus be The Word in the OT times and neither did he speak The Word in OT times.
4. No way should the Word in John 1:1 even have the capital "W" in front of it as the Greeks writings or letters were ALL capitals.
5. Jesus at Baptism received the Spirit without measure, confirmed by saying he was also anointed for the purpose of Preaching the Good News AFTER he was led and taught as promised to Moses, and we KNOW it was THEN, that Jesus was SENT into the world.
God's word is also Spirit, hence the reason he received the Spirit without measure, prior to being sent, confirming the sent timing and meaning by Jesus himself in the following;
John 15:18 - As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Meaning here -->When Jesus was led and taught, When John we led and taught, when Jesus had led and taught them, THIS IS WHEN or after this teaching, "they" were SENT into the world.

Jesus himself makes two clear distinctions, the likes of, I cam out of, came forth from God = Conception - birth at Mary and then he often follows up in the SAME verse, he was then SENT into the world.
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You should really not post part of a verse. You are a naughty little boy and you know you are cheating.

One can take a verse in isolation when they know Full Well there are numerous verses to support this one verses message.

Now then, YOU right here are ONLY using a minor part of the Whole truth and in the past when I have insisted on the verse precept upon precept and line upon line, YOU chucked a wobble and could gives a rats (the likes of).

Anyway, when I see these pathetic half truths, points you make here, instantly I know you are so far behind the 8 ball, you have not even got the A, B, C's yet.
Not to mention, testing the Spirit is also testing Words, and following, You fail Big time.

John 1.9 The True Light WAS COMING INTO THE WORLD = LIE!
KJV, backed by the Greek from which ALL translations come from and better still, via The Bible itself;

John 1:9 - That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
every man --> If we went on the lie YOU produced he, Moses, David and Co are up s.... creek without a paddle.

The True Light IS = Psa 119-105 - Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.
Psa 43:3 - O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles.
1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Almighty God and Fathers word IS Light;
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
So what does Jesus tell us, that this meant for Him;
John 12:46 - I am come a Light into the world...............
1 Thes 5:5 - Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

So Pear Bear, "we" are never ever Jesus's children, but Brothers and Sisters BECAUSE we have a God and Father who is Light and our light = The Word = The Word of God.
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John 1.10 He was in the world and though the WORLD was made THROUGH HIM, the world did not recognize him.

He was in the world--> Neh 9:6 - Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Isa 45:12 - I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Psa 33:6 - By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.


In the beginning was The Word = The Word of Life --> God said, God said, God said;
Creation -->1 John 1:1 - That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
John 1:4 - I Him (Almighty God and Father) was life and that life was the light of men. = Light = The word of God.

the world did not recognize him.

John 17:25 - O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
John 15:21 - But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
John 16:3 - And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
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John 1.14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling amongst us. (lookee wotsup, exactly what you claim, made by the word and agrees 100% with what I say. He is God) LIES!

OLD TEST MUST interpret the New!
Ex 40:34 - Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
The Bible clearly shows us, God is Glory and likewise His Word is Glory;

Just as in the Tent in the OT = No Way did the word itself become flesh, that is just a manipulation via man;
John 1:14 and truth as per the Greek from WHICH the translations come FROM;
And the word FLESH --> became and Tabernacled among (in) us and we beheld the Glory.....= The Word of God.

1. It says here, FLESH became and in that Flesh WAS Glory = The Word of God = John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
2. Tabernacled = ed = Past tense, Jesus word to FINISH the Fathers work is DONE, completed and Jesus was The Tent, the Temple Not built with Hand where the Almighty God and Father dwelt IN Him, Jesus as in the promise = Emmanuel = God with us and confirmed by none other than Jesus;
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by by reason of, because of, for the sake of, though him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Some of US do!
The misuse and abuse of using the "by" word here, it comes from the Greek word DIA and "by" is NOT even an option and the words I have placed here, are as per the Greeks own definition of DIA.

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John 1.15 ... He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me. Not in a plan as you claim.

OH goodness me Pear, Wake-up;

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Acts 15:18 - Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The Almighty God and Father ---> in His Mind and plans = Glory before the world ever was, was his key driver in mind, of a future one = Jesus and by reason of, for the sake of, "because of" through this future one in mind, God and God alone, created all things and we are for Jesus as well for ALL the above reasons, HENCE in this context and ONLY this context;
John 1:15 - John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, The one after me coming, precedence over me has, because before me he was. = In the mind and plans of God, just as many Bible verses state and SHOW us.
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John 1.18 No one has seen God, but the one and only son who is HIMSELF GOD and is the closest relationship with the Father has made him known. Wherever this abomination, pack of lies comes from, you need to burn it!

Truth as per the Greek from Which the translations come from;
John 1:18 - God no one has ever seen yet; the only "begotten" God, the being in the bosom of the Father, He has declared him.

Absolutely ZERO in this verse to say, or to suggest that Jesus had literally seen God before going to him after the cross.
Jesus was Begotten "again" after he died = Clearly defines what the term Begotten means = prior to begetting, you did NOT have it.
Just as prior to Mary, God did not literally have Jesus other than in the likes of;
Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things.

Prophesy for the Future event = Psa 2:7 - I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

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So Pear boy, there is the Truth as per the Bible, if your not prepared to counter any of this from the Bible, with counter verses, "WE" are NOT the slightest bit interested.
And if wotsup was to let his will take ahold here, wotsup could not give a hoot as to whether you take on this truth, as wotsup knows full well, you one day will get it, it might be beaten into you, but you WILL get it