Originally posted by wotsup
Originally posted by DBT9
''No, no, you as I have said in the past, are running away to your gods, regurgitating your gods from the OT, not the discussion, point you raised of which we have been discussing and of which you are trying to run away from. ''
Yes, yes, the words say what they say and I am merely quoting the words and applying basic logic; the meaning and significance of omniscience and the moral implications of drowning the whole world, guilty and innocent alike, because things went awry.
It is you, Mr Wotsup, and believers such as yourself that cannot afford to see the truth. You are not willing to see the truth, that these are ancient myths, not reality, because you want to preserve your faith.
Which is fine in private. Believe whatever brings you comfort....but if you bring your beliefs to a discussion forum expect to have them challenged.
The pity is, you are not willing to consider alternatives. You just stubbornly cling to your faith.
Yes, yes, the words say what they say (just as the following shows) and I am (now) merely quoting the (more) words and I got myself in a corner, up the creek without a paddle, looking a fool among my mates, so I will have totally mislead the discussions in the hope of pulling the wool over everyone's eye and hopefully, they will not SEE may errors, false claim.
He's the real truth your running away from;
DBT - If God has spoken, nobody has understood.
W - God reveals the End from the Beginning and God saw that everything he had made was very good.
However, in the twinkling of an eye, man did not understand, so the end is no one or limited, will understand until right near the end
Then they will wash their robes in truth, given clean while robes = Truth.
DBT - Many people claim to understand, yet very few can actually agree between themselves on what that understanding happens to be.
W - That should be of no surprise as the Bible has numerous verses showing that this will happen, no if but's maybe's, but Will.
Wotsup then gave the DBT some very clear reasons, examples for the reasons why.
W - Cookoo now flying over DBT’s nest as shown following;
DBT - Regardless of what your readers may or may not be aware of, you need to give an example of such a verse. However, for the sake of argument, why do you yourself believe the message of God - if God has spoken - is contradictory and open to numerous interpretations.....of which your own is but one?
Request granted, example given;
W - 2 Tim 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Wotsup then elaborated, gave DBT some examples backed via the Bible where and how people abandoned sound doctrine.
W - Again, the cookoo clearly flying over the DBT nest, incredible?
DBT - '2 Tim 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they willnot endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;''
Sorry, but that doesn't explain why there are so many versions of God and so many different teachings about God, what God is supposed to be, and what God is supposed to want from people. As your verse seeks to blame the reader, this does not explain the lack of clarity or cohesion between faiths considering that it supposed to be the Word of God. Ordinary authors have far less trouble describing their own narratives and story lines.
''John 16:13-15 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.''
This example does not appear to be working. That there are very few who can agree on interpretation or doctrine or religion, appears to strongly indicate that the guidance of the Holy Spirit is somewhat lacking in efficacy.
W - You were given a clear example as in John 16:13-15 verses, you were even asked to comment, give your thoughts on these references which you did not or would not.
The clear example was to show how people interpret in error when there is really no reasons to do so, which clearly means and shows as the Bible said it would, they fall under the 2 Tim reference here and for that reason the following comes into to play of which I think I provided you, but never the less, you are well aware of it;
2 Thes 2:11 - And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
SIMPLE'S, your initial point, done and dusted, way, way back and answered from the Bible, which you do not like, hence the circus you created and cannot stop yourself.
''He's the real truth your running away from;
DBT - If God has spoken, nobody has understood.''
As a means of defense, you always say the opposite of the truth.
As anyone can see, I am not avoiding the very thing I said, and explained in terms of numerous interpretations of what is supposedly the Word of God, faiths, religions, denominations, sects, personal beliefs, etc, etc, etc......which is a fact. All of these things exist. They are there for anyone to see. Wars have been fought over religion, which is supposed to be the ''Word of God''
If God has spoken and His message was understood, there would be no division and conflict, we would be living in a different world.
So, yes, if God has truly spoken, nobody has understood.
