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Originally posted by DBT9: ↑

''I only need to show you the fact that its because the Arabs were united under the Caliphate that enabled societal structures such as the House of Wisdom to be created. Scientific progress comes from the "structure" that Muhammad introduced by uniting the tribes. Scientific progress was not coming from the "chaos" that was present by the warring Arabian tribes.''

There is nothing to say that the enlightenment would not have happened in Europe regardless of whether Islam had its 'golden age' European thinkers were perfectly able to question the teachings of the church and challenge its model of the world and the universe. Which they did, Bruno burnt at the stake without recanting his discoveries, etc.

That may have been delayed for a little while, but that's all. The dark ages in Europe were not as dark as they are sometimes painted. The golden age of Islam is sometimes over rated.

I think that you are deflecting from the issue that Islam began with violence, taught violence against non believers and that any progress that was made happened in spite of the teachings of Mohammad and not because of it.

Which, as I said, is a credit to the people at that time.

Pity that it didn't last. No doubt Islam would have been reformed, it's teachings seen to be what they are; a product of their time and place.....and we'd be living in a different world.

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Dark ages were not so dark. Golden age was not so golden. All conjecture DBT9.......

How can violence unite warring tribes?
How can unity result from violence?
How can anything that is deemed valuable enough to influence Europe towards Enlightenment come out of violence?

Please note, I am not denying that there was violence, there was, but the centrality of Muhammad's Message was progress, unity, nation-building, justice and tolerance.

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