A sample of MANY passages;
Isa 45:12 - I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have [COLOR=inherit]I[/COLOR][SIZE=5] commanded.[/SIZE]
Psa 33:6 By the Word of -->the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of [B]his [/B]mouth = (Spirit, the Holy).
Isa 44:24 - [SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Thus saith [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px][COLOR=inherit]the LORD,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,[/SIZE][B][COLOR=inherit] I [/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/SIZE][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]am[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] the LORD that[/SIZE] [/SIZE][SIZE=16px][B][COLOR=inherit]maketh [/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][BCOLOR=transparent][B][COLOR=inherit][SIZE=24px][COLOR=#ff0000]all [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/BCOLOR][I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent]t[/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]hings[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]; that stretcheth forth the heavens [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][B][COLOR=inherit]alone;[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;[/SIZE]
[B][SIZE=16px][COLOR=inherit]Jesus confirms this --> [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px]Matt 19:4 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=24px][B][COLOR=inherit]he[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] which made [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][I][I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]them[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/I][SIZE=16px][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px] at the beginning made them male and female,
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[COLOR=#0000ff]What's the CLEAR and obvious message here Mr G????
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And then all other things were created through him.
NO passages say or imply the words YOU have added here, none.
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(Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of all creation
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Jesus did NOT become the image of the invisible God UNTIL around after His baptism.
As promised to Moses Deu 18:18, God raised, led and taught Jesus for 20 plus years, prior there is NO way he was the Image of God.
God's word, words are Spirit John 6:63 and Jesus received the Spirit without measure John 3:34 Luke 4:18 for the sole purpose of bringing, spreading The Word which simply means (one of meanings), the word of God.
As God's words are Spirit, it means he received the Spirit/WORD without measure.
Hence Jesus finally became the EXPRESS image, because as he spoke, he expressed out The Word = the Almighty God and Father and this is CLEARLY confirmed in the following;
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he --> doeth the works.
Firstborn of all creation --> literally, physically firstborn = as pointed out to You many times, THIS is NOT supported in the Bible.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made and ALL the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Jesus would have been one of these hosts if he pre-existed and clearly the heavens were made prior, making it impossible for Jesus to be the first literal creation of God.
There are other verses showing the heavens being made, created first, which You fail to address all the time.
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(Colossians 1:16) because
by
IN means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
All other things have been created through him and for him.
No where in this Greek word can you draw upon, add this "by" word that you have added here.
So clearly, Jesus was not the literal, physical beginning of creation Rev 3:14 and neither the literal, physical firstborn Col 1:15.
And that is very clearly set out, confirmed in numerous verses, Jesus's literal, physical beginning is clearly at conception, 2nd Adam which the Bible plainly states, was well and truly after the 1st Adam.
God has ONLY spoken in and through Jesus in these LAST days Heb 1:1-2, after Baptism which is clearly WHEN Jesus was SENT into the world, after he was raised, led and taught etc.
So Jesus being the beginning of the creation of God, the firstborn of creation, is CLEARLY in reference to being in the mind and plans of God, EXACTLY where your creation begins.
Rev 13:8 -
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb-->slain from the foundation of the world. --> (Greek supports this, effectively, the LAMB pre-slain in the mind of God).
(Foundation in Geek also has the meaning = Conception = in the mind and plans of God as supported in the following);
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before time eternal,
Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things:
Very very clear --> His own purpose = in the mind and plans of God.
Jer 10:12 - He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
Prov 3:19 - The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
So this creation of yours on Proverbs 8, master worker, is NOT in any way referring to Jesus but, The Almighty God and Fathers wisdom.
Wisdom is personalized, just as The Word of God is.
This Titus, 2 Tim and Eph reference are simply the likes of John 1:2 The same, this, it, Titus, 2 Tim was IN the beginning with God = in his mind and plans and the expression, literal happenings are clearly shown in John 1:3 and 1:4 in him life was = In his inner word.
Jesus was only given this life within himself (the word = the word of God) after, by, his Baptism.
So this nonsense, that you say the Almighty God and Father is the creator, but he literally did it through Jesus, is exactly that, NONSENSE.
All was done via the power and Word of God himself, God said, God said and so it was.
No way does Gen say, and Jesus said and Jesus said, which he would have to do IF God literally created through him and as you claim, Jesus is the word = Rubbish he is..
Another area you repeatedly dismiss and ignore.
