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tonio

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05/08/19

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Originally posted by wotsup ↑

Wotsup ,

In the OT the Father spoke
through
Jesus
in
the Prophets.

It was
only
in the last days that Jesus became the Prophet,that the Holy Spirit spoke
in
him

Come on then, BACK this said claim with the Bible verses. --> (Father spoke through Jesus in OT times)
So you are trying to tell us, the following is a pack of lies.

Heb 1:1-2 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us IN his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he (God) made the worlds;

As you can very clearly see here Tonio, YOU are using the Almighty God and Fathers name (The -->WORD) in vain, ADDING your own twist and creating ANOTHER entirely different message.
Not of the Spirit (God) of God.

The Almighty God and Father written often in the OT as LORD, did the talking directly to the prophets or in divers manners and NOT through Jesus at all.
This Heb verse is VERY clear, God and not Jesus spoke to the Prophets, open your eyes mate.
Through Jesus is none other than your creation, or the creation that you have been fed.

You are correct in that, only in these last days, the prophet Jesus literally, physically, came into existence, beginning being his conception at Mary, the hidden mystery hid In God, God's inner plan became manifested.

As for the Holy Spirit speaking in Him = The Almighty God and Father who is the Holy Spirit, spoke through and in him, in these last days - after Baptism.
John 4:24 - Spirit the God is......................now the Bible is very clear in regards to this Spirit (God), there is but ONE Spirit, just as there is but ONE Almighty God and Father, therefore the Spirit God is, is none other than The Holy Spirit.

John 14:10 makes it very clear, the Almighty God and Father was dwelling in Jesus and doing the works Acts 2:22.
1 & 2 Cor shows us, the Spirit of God = the Holy Spirit dwells in us (Temples) and the other Cor says, God dwells in us.
The Holy Spirit and the Almighty God and Father here are interchanged = they are one in the same as you do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you and another, the Almighty God and Father.
They are ONE as in one apple.

The OT has verses the likes of, The Spirit of the LORD (God Almighty) said unto me and the Word of the LORD (Almighty God) said unto me = Spirit and The Word = one in the same, interchanged and coming from the One Almighty God and Father = one of the divers manors spoken of in Heb.

Now as for you parable chum, it does ZERO to support your claims.
Was there a literal son even in existence at the time of the first planting, possibly not, so you a simply throwing in a wild guess here.
Not that that matters, you have no case here.

The overall theme of many Bible passages, Jesus came OUT from God (Due to God's inner plan being expressed out in word) as in meaning, God's words to the Angel, to Mary and so on, just as God's word goes out in Isa 55:8 onward etc.
Jesus was then led, taught, raised as per Due 18:18 for 20 plus years, when he was then and only then, SENT into the world.
He was given the Spirit without measure to enable him to speak The Word = The Word of God, the words of eternal life.
This and not before was when and how Jesus received life within himself John 5:26 as the Father has life in himself in John 1:4.

There are two clear distinctions mentioned often between, OUT from and being SENT from God.
However, many Bibles interfere with the word arrangement from the Greek, hence most miss it, or ignore it.

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Come on then, BACK this said claim with the Bible verses. --> (Father spoke through Jesus in OT times)
So you are trying to tell us, the following is a pack of lies.

Hi Wotsup,
I wouldn't go so far as to describe what you write as a pack of lies.
Just that you are mistaken in almost all of your interpretations. All of it stems from you denial of the deity of Christ.

1Pet 1:10-11
10Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

There you have it Wotsup,
The Father spoke through the Spirit of Christ in the Prophets , testifying about the sufferings of Jesus in the future.
Jesus is the Word because he speaks the word of God.

In the O.T. the Father spoke through Jesus in the prophets but in the N.T.
Jesus becomes the prophet that the Father speaks in

Heb 1:1-2
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world
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