It's very difficult to have a sensible exchange with someone who doesn't read what a poster says and is constantly on the lookout for slurs, imaginary personal attacks, supposed threats to his beliefs and condescending style. Just itching to be offended by something or other.
If you have genuine faith about certain beliefs then that's how it is. If someone else questions them or even says they are rubbish, then so what. Why should that alter your faith. Why not just address the actual material being discussed and put aside the victim mentality.
"Why do you "Blame" God for this unesassary cruel manner of death? Clearly,the story line and your line of questioning assume alot of things that aernt there?"
I didn't blame anyone but put forward a quite plausible scenario based on what you said and generally accepted Christian beliefs about God, Jesus and his mission, with a query whether this was what you were suggesting.
What's the problem ?
"Remember. , you have already stated neither me nor wotsup and correct anyway ,because its all a load of hogwash anyway"
There you go again viewing what was said in your own mirror which reflects only black and white.
Nothing about both being only incorrect, no hint that those views are hogwash.
This is the actual dialogue with wotsup.
Wotsop .."To send a son, you have to of had one prior to send, is the claim. Prior existence, in no way needs to come into it."
Copper ... "In my view FWIW, you are both right and both wrong because the truth is not one or the other. That's why there are so many disagreements between those who grasp one end of the sick and insist the end they have is the only one."
"Can you show me where God killed his own son and was the one who actually carried this act out?"
No, can you show me evidence that He didn't ?
After all, isn't God omnipotent and omniscient and responsible for everything that happens in His Creation ?
"Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
"Also maybe ,if you can state you beliefs about what you believe about life its beggining and why we are here etc"
Why would I do that on a public forum ? I'm not trying to convert or push people to accept what I may have come to.
Let's leave the initiative to those who claim it's their duty to put their personal beliefs in the face of others.
Besides, when I see your reaction to questioning of one of your cherished beliefs as below, it would be cruel to go any further without having something accessible to you, to replace them with. "The Son of God died for our sins. AKA "You surely will not die."
I'm not here to replace your faith or expect you to be able to explain why you believe what you do.
Having said that, unless that faith is a support for questioning, exploring and growth, then it is just a tomb.
