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MrGordon

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09/12/19

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Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

(1 Peter 1:23 & John 3:5 and the water referred to in 3:5 is the word of God).
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Wotsup, I find most of what you say is without support from the Scriptures. Your above comment is just one example.Generally Mr G, I will not write something unless I know full well I can back it with scripture.
Often and possibly a mistake, I assume you and others would be up to speed with the relevant support verses.
But, as I said, that's probably a big mistake.

But at the same time, if at times you think I am at error, your endeavors to correct me, counters from the Bible, are most welcomed, I am always ears, so to speak.

Jesus's Baptism, now I am sure you would know, Jesus was born Under the Law?
John 1:33 - And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit.

John 4:10 &14 - Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.John 7:38 - He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.Isa 12:3 - Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.Psa 36:9 - For with thee the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.I'll assume it doesn't need explaining to you, that the Water Jesus is referring to here is, the word = the word of God.
And the water, life, flowing out of some people will be, the word = the word of God?

John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
These words of the God and Fathers --> John 6:63&68 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, theyare spirit, and they are life.Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Born again --> 1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God=(Spirit), which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.Jesus we are told would baptize and that would be via the Spirit and not by placing someone in water.
In fact, Jesus placed (baptized) no one in literal the water.
Water, from the above verses is clearly shown to be, the word = the word of God.
1 Peter 1:23 makes it Clear, you are born again via the word of God, makes no mention that you must be submersed in water.
God's word is also Spirit;John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus was to Baptize with the Spirit,..... and the word of God is also Spirit and the Water is also referred to as the word of God,..... then the water is also Spirit.
To be born of water, the word of God and by the Spirit of God is to be;
John 1:13 --> Born of God.Based on the above, there is no way you can say that being born of water cannot be deemed as, being born of the word of God.
--------------I find most of what you say is without support from the Scriptures.That's a bold statement Mr G, now the Bible would expect you to do your duty and Back this statement up and that should not be hard for you, as you say, "most" of what I say is without support.
We all await the evidence, support Mr G, as lets get real, you don't want to be a bad witness now, do you?

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Wotsup, to understand the Bible it is necessary to examine the context in which the words are used. There are times where water involves provisions from God that are essential to life. Here's an example:
(John 4:14)Whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life.”

Here's another example where ''water'' means something entirely different.
(Revelation 17:1) One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me: “Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters,
(Revelation 17:15) He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.

The context of John 3:5 deals with being ''born again'', as Jesus had been.
(Matthew 3:16) After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.
Jesus' baptism was in literal water from the Jordan river.
Other Scriptures show this was also necessary for those desiring to become Christians.
(Acts 8:36) Now as they were going along the road, they came to a body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! Here is water; what prevents me from getting baptized?”
Again this speaks of literal water.
(Acts 10:47) “Can anyone deny water to prevent these from being baptized who have received the holy spirit just as we have?”

As Jesus example plus what he spelled out to Nicodemus showed , both ''water'' baptism plus God's holy spirit are needed for a person to be born again.
(John 3:5) Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
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