Mr G, hc wont let me reply directly to your post;
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.I see your ADDING you own or Tower decorations again.
Letting you planted SEEDS do the interpretations, and then have the cheek to ask Me, to let the scriptures do the revealing.
Your decorations recently were exposed, by the scriptures I might add, on the creation you make out of the emptying verse.
I note you went all quite on that one, the example of what Jesus GAVE, of emptying himself?
Greek and KJV and not to mention, the Greek meaning of their word - Whose goings forth from of old, from everlasting.Not to mention ->out of you to Me shall come forth the one to be............So, the exact same language, one to be, not yet existing and will come out of YOU, his line.So you use and abuse of this verse, is exactly that, abuse.
2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before time eternal, - Everlasting, the plan, the hidden mystery IN GOD, not some pre-existing spirit.
John 17:5 shows us, the likes of the hidden mystery hid in God was before the world even existed WITH God, known as Glory.
The above and several others verses show this as well.
Jesus says the likes of, you search the scriptures for in them you think you have life, and they are Those which speak of me.
And those, the "those" are the likes of the Deu 18:18, and there is ZERO hint in any of these that the one being spoken of, actually already existed.So the ONLY mystery part or aspect of it, is CLEARLY shown to be IN God and the manifestation of that mystery from within God, started when the Angel pasted on God's word to Mary.
So this, the Glory, is what was -> The Goings forth from old.
The exact SAME context of what Jesus was referring to in -> before Abraham, I am = in the mind and plans of God, this plan, of a Jesus to be was the Beginning of the creation of God, the firstborn (in God's mind) of creation Rev 3:14, Col 1:15 and Jesus pre-slain according to the KJV and the Greek Rev 13:8.
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