thks gkid, sad but true,,, i don`t use stop losses, i just ride them, I NO I`M WRONG!! my thoughts that the market can`t fall to far< started with 150k, spend 5% of eq per trade, try to get out with 10% profit but sometimes!! ex prr in 5 out 9, prro in 3 (av 3.3) out 4.2, this is bad, didn`t a clue on prro ( ipod you texted to many letters) an option?? well it worked. hav 2 bad trades fms 7.5 + gjt 9.1. know i`m very lucky + MUST CHANGE. i can see the big picture but as im learning i want to watch + follow the best ive seen,,you guys!! jesse livermore - worlds greatest trader mark douglas - trading in the zone, thks again guys, great read both books.