Where ya bin,
Are you going to stay around and address YOUR claims?
Begotten = comes from Begat -> meaning, you once did not have this one, or item.
According to your own definition of "begotten" the Father would once not have had his Word and also once not have had his Glory.
and "WE" beheld the Glory of Him, Glory as only begotten from the Father.............
Clear translation, it, the Glory could ONLY have come from the Father.
So they, the 'we" begat it = nothing to to with God begetting it.
Not to mention, the likes of the following Glory, was not always with the Father;
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
How was he going to do this in the future or through whom;
Rev 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
In the mind and plans of God, first up in this area, was for a Jesus to be Eph 3:9 and then a plan for creation, re Gen;
Isa 44:24 - Thus saith Yahweh, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I Yahweh that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Hence due to his Spoken word, we see this has happened in John 1:3.
He did all this through, on account of, by reason of, because of, for the sake of, the future one to be, where God would then place all things into Jesus's hands, where then, all things literally will hold together in Jesus, because of him.
No Tonio, don't go down this genitive path, as the likes of this Isa quote and Many more, Dictate otherwise.
Then John 1:4, shows us, references, this glory, Eph etc in God, which is the light of ALL men coming into the world John 1:9.
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Elsewhere you are often interchanging Word and Spirit, which would mean than the Father once did not have his Spirit.
YOU have made a false, misguided, misunderstood claim and from that, have created another one.
Is that an example of how you interpret the Bible?
To boot, you are effectively taking out of context, what I have said, re the Spirit.
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 6:63 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Now then, truth and context of me interchanging Spirit with the word;
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
You are only born again one way mate = John 1:13 - Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
So Jesus, interchanges Spirit and word here, making it very Clear as to who is the Spirit as in Holy and who is the word as in The Word, AND GOD WAS THE WORD 1:1.
From which comes the word of life 1 John 1:1-2 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard,that which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
For the life (that) was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
So that plan, the likes of Titus 1:2 and part of the meaning of "the Word" was manifested, made clear and obvious to some lol.
Part of the Word, plan, flesh became.
Part of the Word plan, resulted in the Gens creation.
And much more of the Word and God came into the Temple.
Ex 40:34 - Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of Yahweh filled the tabernacle. = Jesus in 1:14 and confirmed -> John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus is only begotten of the Father - we know this and we are to be, begotten of the Father as well.
Jesus is the Word made flesh - Jesus is part of the Word made flesh, carrier of much of it and this is clearly shown in John 1:3, part of the Word (thought) resulted in the Gen's creation.
God raised him Due 18:18 and gave his word, the Word over many years to him, to give Jesus life in himself John 5:26.
Jesus is the Word that was with the God in the beginning. - the Jesus to be, plan of, was with God, before the world existed with God John 17:5 and known as Glory and held via God.
Jesus asks God, to express this Glory held, directly to him, face to face, so to speak 17:5.
Hence in that plan, the beginning of God's creation Rev 3:14, this plan of a Jesus, was the firstborn of creation Col 1:15, IN God Eph 3:9 where all our creations, foundations, begin.
And YOU Tonio, cannot NOT refute, counter this WITH the Bible.
Are you going to stand up and be counted?
They will see and hear and not able to understand!
Boy is that running on track.
