Vacccine transmitted outbreak?, page-38

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    Thanks for providing some solid stats.

    And for providing proof that statistics can easily be bent into conveying whatever "truths" you want.

    From the data you linked, between Feb and June:

    In people vaccinated, 50 dies vs 44 who were unvaccinated. This is what you are referring to.

    It is important to break this down by age, however.

    All the deaths in the vaccinated crew were over 50, whereas 6 in the unvaccinated were under.

    Then you need to compare it to the total presentations of vaccinated vs unvaccinated:

    In the under 50, there were 3,689 vaccinated vs 52,846 unvaccinated presenting to hospital with covid.

    In the older, over 50, there were 3,546 vaccinated vs 976 unvaccinated.

    Why are more vaccinated people in this age group testing positive for covid than in the unvaccinated cohort?

    Does the vaccine cause INCREASED susceptibility to covid? Or is it that there is such a high prevalence of vaccination in that cohort that the majority of people catching covid will be vaccinated?

    (for example, if 100% of people are vaccinated, everyone that catches covid will have been previously vaccinated, doesn't mean vaccines increase risk of catching it).

    So looking more at those numbers, the vast majority of people admitted to hospital overnight are unvaccinated (190-831), and yet in the above 50 category there's more from the vaccinated category (163-136).

    Does this mean, if you're above 50 and get the vaccine, you're MORE likely to get sick?

    Or is this, again, a case of the majority of elderly people being vaccinated, yet still getting sick enough to require hospitalisation.

    Keep in mind, a huge proportion of elderly in hospitals at any given time are in for simple things like urinary tract infections. Of course getting covid, even when vaccinated, will cause them to need to go to hospital.

    Now of those patients over 50yo, 50 who were vaccinated and 38 who were unvaccinated died.

    How do we interpret this? That the vaccine makes them sicker?

    Or could it be that those 50 were vaccinated, still caught covid, but were premorbidly unwell enough that they didn't survive?

    That the type of person who is vaccinated, yet still requires hospitalisation for covid may be in poorer health to begin with than the type of person who is vaccinated, catches it, but stays out of hospital?

    Who knows? This is why isolating and focusing on numbers like this isn't helpful to drawing larger conclusions about vaccine efficacy.

    The better thing would be to scrooooll down in that study where they post the overall results of vaccine efficacy. That's much more useful.

    But again, maybe that single data point is the one you should focus on, as it "proves" the point you'd already come up with.
 
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