One main point however Punter , that the investment wasn't a horrible one , yet we are stuck in the mess .
I was attracted to the Grapes because of the 18 year life span , and yes I was paid last year for my stake in 2004 . These are independent projects and should be treated as such , they are owned by the growers .
Not the Managers ..this is the part that sucks .
had a chat with the pulpwood, page-12
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