lets look at renewable energy then, page-72

Fudge this laptop - I have to re-type this now.

Ronsterm, speaking of fossil fuel industry subsidies, just by coincidence this appeared in The Age this morning:

"The renewable energy target, and the feed-in tariffs, don't need government funds (but they do push up electricity prices). There is no ''magic pudding'', but a place to start would be to eliminate subsidies for fossil fuels, which the Institute for Sustainable Futures estimated at between $9.3 billion and $10.1 billion in the year to June 30, 2006."

http://www.theage.com.au/business/plenty-of-ways-to-cut-carbon-without-the-sting-of-a-tax-20091204-kaz8.html

I am not happy that my hard earned taxes are being spent subsidising a highly profitable industry that is also potentially causing irreversible damage (at least irreversible by humans on human time scales) to the environment.

Hanrahan, I'm not quite sure what you're on about. As far as electric cars go, I guess they can be considered renewable if their charging source is renewable energy.