Look it wasn't a defense of the man per-se, I was just highlighting the thing which cannot be denied that the resource just wasn't as advertised and it would be difficult for anyone in his position to turn something around which clearly isn't there. To your other point, 100% agree, continuing to squeeze investors for fresh capital on the road to nowhere instead of putting the thing on C&M at a much sooner time would have been the ethical thing to do. I'm sure the board have a lot to answer for but won't because that's the ASX.