Watso, You give the Mr Abbott too much credit. Remember he went along with the crowd. It was Iron Bar Tuckey who was the first to dare call it for what it was and bring on the spill. The rest of the spineless fools would have caved. Australia would be taking a heroic lead in closing down our industry as an example to the others. Mr Tuckey saved Australian industry and perhaps Mr Rudd from his own folly. Really these politicians need a bit of adult supervision. bacci