Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
The Drudge report times out.
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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Sharenot so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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Sharere: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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Sharere: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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Sharelook who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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Sharere: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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ShareThere are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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Sharesandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.
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ShareVery direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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Sharerogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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ShareSo you can see both sides of the story matty.
I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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ShareAgree seuss.
I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareI know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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ShareWe'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!
We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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ShareI am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)
I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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ShareI find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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ShareShadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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Sharere: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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ShareMaybe this sheds some light on it ............................
He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
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fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
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diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
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Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
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Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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ShareI get your drift joewolf.
The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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@Fat Harrys Cat and @Michiba
Paul and Jeff stated at the investor presentation on Tuesday 12 July 2022 that they were not intending to raise any more funds and that expenses were approximately $825k per month, and they intended to keep them there. If everything stays static they have a monthly cash burn of circa $500k and will not need to raise in the next 12 months. I have set out a table analysing their cash needs in light of an increase in revenue each quarter.
Their increase in revenue this quarter was disappointing to me. However, based on their trading update of 12 July, and their presentation, the below table shows that only at the lowest MRR increase a quarter (10%) will they need to raise funds.
HTG's last quarter growth was nearly 70%. While I would like to see that again, anything above a 20% quarterly growth would ensure no need to raise funds. I note that if they are not hitting at least 20% quarter growth, I will be very concerned. Again, their current quarterly growth was embarrasing in my eyes. Regardless of the reasons.Forecast 1 Quarter MRR (1.1) Cash on Hand (1.1) MRR (1.2) Cash on Hand (1.2) MRR (1.3) Cash on Hand (1.3) MRR (1.4) Cash on Hand (1.4) MRR (1.5) Cash on Hand (1.5) 2 Jun-22 $257,000.00 $6,250,000.00 $257,000.00 $6,250,000.00 $257,000.00 $6,250,000.00 $257,000.00 $6,250,000.00 $257,000.00 $6,250,000.00 Actual 3 Sep-22 $282,700.00 $4,623,100.00 $308,400.00 $4,700,200.00 $334,100.00 $4,777,300.00 $359,800.00 $4,854,400.00 $385,500.00 $4,931,500.00 Forecast 4 Dec-22 $310,970.00 $3,081,010.00 $370,080.00 $3,335,440.00 $434,330.00 $3,605,290.00 $503,720.00 $3,890,560.00 $578,250.00 $4,191,250.00 Forecast 5 Mar-23 $342,067.00 $1,632,211.00 $444,096.00 $2,192,728.00 $564,629.00 $2,824,177.00 $705,208.00 $3,531,184.00 $867,375.00 $4,318,375.00 Forecast 6 Jun-23 $376,273.70 $286,032.10 $532,915.20 $1,316,473.60 $734,017.70 $2,551,230.10 $987,291.20 $4,018,057.60 $1,301,062.50 $5,746,562.50 Forecast 7 Sep-23 $413,901.07 -$947,264.69 $639,498.24 $759,968.32 $954,223.01 $2,938,899.13 $1,382,207.68 $5,689,680.64 $1,951,593.75 $9,126,343.75 Forecast 8 Dec-23 $455,291.18 -$2,056,391.16 $767,397.89 $587,161.98 $1,240,489.91 $4,185,368.87 $1,935,090.75 $9,019,952.90 $2,927,390.63 $15,433,515.63 Forecast 9 Mar-24 $500,820.29 -$3,028,930.27 $920,877.47 $874,794.38 $1,612,636.89 $6,548,279.53 $2,709,127.05 $14,672,334.05 $4,391,085.94 $26,131,773.44 Forecast 10 11 Monthly Expenses $825,000.00 Cash flow positive MRR 12 MRR Varied (see table) Each 0.1 above represents 10% e.g. 1.1 = 10% qrtr growth e.g. 1.2 = 20% qrtr growth
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It doesn't appear to have been open to all investors. One of the big comments was that these sort of things should be on regularly (e.g. each quarter) and available to all investors (such as through an electronic meeting).
I'm sure some of you who weren't there (and didn't have reps there etc) would like to know the general tone / discussion. I've tried to capture some of that (with my own thoughts below).
OverallExceptionally well spoken by both Jeff and Paul (every time you hear Jeff speak, you realise just how good a leader he is). That said they (especially Paul) were asked some tough questions. They need to work on responding to investors, especially with tough questions without getting too defensive. It became a little heated / combative at some points, which probably could have been avoided. That said, you can't help but leave their presentations / talks with a better understanding of the company and more relaxed feeling about the company's future.
While it helped, the presentation really didn't do anything other than better explain the quarterly update.
CommunicationThis was big topic of the evening. Paul and Jeff recognised that they could and should do better. There were lots of simple, cheap and effective possible solutions put forward, such as:- regular town hall meeting (for all investors) (quarterly?)
- updating the company's online investor page (to better incorporate all information that HTG is putting out, regardless of whether it is an ASX announcement or not); [Note: you can already subscribe to their newsletter, and you should for all the latest information, bottom right corner of their website; HTG's News page contains a lot of this information] and
- better worded / drafted documents such as the quarterly update.
The company will consider all these options and more, but is endeavouring to be delivering news every fortnight.
Sales
This is the first quarter of being a pure tech / 'SaaS' company (that is, without Shine operating revenue or expenses).
June quarterly target from the trading update on 28 March 2022 was MRR of $300k-$350k. While the June quarterly MRR was $257k. This was substandard to me, significantly so.
The trading update of 12 July 2022 did suggest that the company is increasing sales though, but the key MRR metric (and associated quarter on quarter growth) was too low for my liking. Paul also stated that a lot of companies are picking up 1 - 5 licences to start, and it will expand from there. In some ways, this is testing the product, in others, this is part and parcel with mobile assets such as ships that can be away from port for up to 5/6 months at a time (can't refit/outfit until they are in port, and have the time etc). It could take 5 years to deploy across some companies' entire fleets.
In addition to the above, some of the deals that the company envisaged taking 3-6 months look like they will take 12 - 18 months from start to finish (I considered that this was more in respect of companies such as Cisco etc).
Reasons for not hitting MRR targetObviously macro economic, but also some large contracts went through in July instead of June (at client's request). While a 'fine' explanation to me, it doesn’t hit the right notes. They've essentially downgraded the September quarter based on not hitting the June quarter numbers.
I want more transparency why the sales weren't hit.
If it really did come down to when things were billed, then we should smash the September quarter. However, if it is actually more to do with macro economic pressures (outside the company's control) then we are actually circa 3 months behind where we (company and investors) thought we would be. This is not the end of the world, and really probably can't be helped. However, if it is due to a substandard sales team, this is a concern. That said, I want the clarity. I don't feel I got that on Tuesday night, and it might not be until the September and December quarter results that we will really understand the sales progress.
Expenses
Expenses have been reduced, and it was discussed that they were intending to either lower expenses further, or (at worst) maintain them at this level ($825k per month). This included a reduction in some board member fees.
Big tick on this front in my eyes.
@3179
I hope this clears it up for you - this was picked up last night and queried. They clarified that the $825k are expenses, and that current cash burn is circa $500k a month.
Capital Raise
The current MRR and expenses leaves a cash burn of circa $500k per month. As such, if nothing changed from the June quarter, HTG does not need to raise money for 12 months. The company is aware of the current climate, and has no desire to raise cash, and doesn't need to (for at least 12 months, if at all).
Existing opportunities
They have plenty of existing opportunities, it is about closing them though. The company is 'laser focused' on sales. Jeff stressed this repeatedly.
The company considers that the sales pipeline is growing. [This was raised as opaque due to the nature in which the target transitioned from licences to MRR, and so did the 'pipeline', however, Paul confirmed that not only are sales growing, but the company's potential pipeline of opportunities is also growing]
Cisco is still on the cards. It is unclear how big or little this may eventually be. Ideally, it becomes an imbedded part of Webex, but by the sounds of it, it may be packaged as an add on to Webex in some capacity.
It is going to be put through funded trials in the next 3-6 months.
Potential Opportunities
I have seprated this from 'existing opprotunities' because the company is focusing on Maritime and Aviation (drones).
Due to limited cash, employees etc etc, the company is not pursuing big 'white whale' opportunities such as a Defence contract. There is the suggestion that Defence is still in the picture, but it is in no way a direct focus of the company.
Jeff noted that Cisco (Broadcasting & Conferencing) came to them. The company had recognised B&C as a potential avenue, but was not actively pursuing it, and Cisco came knocking. This reinforces the tech to me, and it reinforces that large / complex companies and deals can come to HTG while they are laying the ground work (regarding revenue / company building).
Again, a big tick from me - don't try to do everything at once, get the company settled and cash flow positive.
Research and DevelopmentThe company's R&D sounds phenomenal. Any explanation I try to give it definitely won't do it justice.
In simple terms (and please correct me if this does not accurately capture it, or there's a better way to explain it) but instead of just A to B to C (end user) it can go from A to B to CC (being multiple e.g. thousands of end users).
The next iteration of their tech is already in beta testing, and will be for the next 6-9 months. HTG considers that it only has one 'actual' competitor, and they are doing a different thing with their business. In real terms, the company still sees itself with at least a 2 year lead on any potential competition.
Honestly, no complaints on the tech / future tech front.
Next quarter
The company, based on their stated MRR target of $340-$380k for the September quarter are predicting between 30% - 50% growth based on the current quarter. This remains to be seen after the lacklustre growth in MRR this quarter.
GeneralThey consider that they are in the middle of 'Phase 2' of the 3 phase plan, and that Phase 2 is likely to run for another 12 months.
I note that Phase 2 was initially slated to run for 12 months (CY 2022). As such, this reinforces my opinion that the company (largely for macro economic reasons) is 3-6 months behind where they anticipated.Last edited by nofiller: 14/07/22 -
ShareAt this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.
CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Sharere: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!
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ShareWhat a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!
Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
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