>and they both absorb the re-radiated thermal energy from that object Is that what glass does? Your source, please?
>I'm not here to give you a basic grounding in the fundamentals of physics. I'm fairly certain that you cannot explain this to me in fundamental terms, which is why I'm asking. "Glass and CO2 work the same" is not accurate or based in any kind of evidence.
You are the one that made the claim that "the greenhouse effect" operates identically to an actual greenhouse, with the implication that greenhouse gasses manage to amplify surface temperatures like a glass greenhouse.
If that's what you think, explain it to me.
>Your position that greenhouse gases don't contribute to increased planetary surface temperatures during the day is at a flat-earther level of science denial.
And yet you seem unable to explain how, other than "it's like glass" and "re-radiates absorbed heat energy". How curious. Added bonus : you called me a "flat earth science denier" - so, pretty much, if I don't accept your claim - without evident - an ad hominem applies.
Oh, yes, strong argument. Let's instead be scientific about it, hmm?
In summary - the claimant that I am somehow a science denier doesn't seem to understand how an actual greenhouse works, and somehow claims that "the planetary greenhouse effect" works the same way.
Is that a self own? I believe it is.
> You can just look at Venus and Mercury to see that it does work.....Because the greenhouse gases in Venus's atmosphere are capture heat and increase the planetary surface temperature both during the day and during the night. Yes.. but it's not that the atmosphere on Venus "amplifies" the heat during the day like an actual greenhouse, it simply cannot shed energy on its dark side quickly enough due to its greenhouse effect.
What's the difference between day and night time temperatures on Mercury vs Venus, there is your clue.
This isn't what's happening on Earth. Venus has a runaway greenhouse effect, indeed, it is described in the literature as such.
Further, let me demonstrate.
If CO2 is such a potent greenhouse gas, you should be able to present evidence that night-time temperatures in the desert - where there is less water vapour, the most potent greenhouse gas - have increased.
That's the "CO2 is like glass" litmus test.
Certainly, in places with significant humidity, the "Greenhouse effect" will retain heat overnight, which does lead to warmer morning temperatures and therefore a higher average temperature as measured over the course of the day. However I think you will be hard pressed to find any evidence that even in a very humid zone that water vapour amplifies surface temperatures in the same way as a glass greenhouse does.
I am very open to you providing this, because, indeed, I have looked for such evidence or such an explanation.
It's very disturbing to be called a "Science denier" by someone accepting something as fact without any evidence. I believe they call that "an article of religious faith?"
"they call it the greenhouse effect and a greenhouse is hotter than ambient therefore...."
I will not accept your article of faith, I am sorry.
