New Mass Shooting in USA...Watch it leave news cycle..in a hurry

Originally posted by thecurious1: ↑

"Social change. Stop deflecting."

That was valid question, not a deflection.

What social change will reduce mass shootings ?

"If you want to know information about gun violence in general, you use the GVA def"

The thread title is Mass Shootings.

"Describing a “mass shooting”: the role of databases in understanding burden

Although many organizations collect information on mass shootings (fatal and nonfatal injuries), no federal definition of this phrase exists. The purpose of this study was to highlight the different statistics that result among databases that define and track “mass shootings.” Establishing definitive guidelines for a mass shooting definition could improve research credibility when presenting evidence to policy makers.

We obtained data for mass shootings that occurred in 2017 from four sources: Gun Violence Archive, Mother Jones Investigation, Everytown for Gun Safety, and FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report. We also examined FBI’s Active Shooter Report to compare the mass shootings datasets with active shooter situations, which have been federally defined. First, we examined the overlap among databases. Then, we applied the strictest fatal mass shooting definition to the mass shooting datasets to determine whether the differences in databases could be contributing to differences in fatalities and injuries recorded.

Gun Violence Archive recorded the most mass shooting incidents at 346 incidents in 2017, while Mother Jones only recorded 11 cases. Only 2 events were found in all four mass shooting datasets. When the strictest definition – four or more individuals fatally shot – was applied to all datasets, the number of mass shootings in 2017 ranged from 24 (Gun Violence Archive) to 5 (Mother Jones), but incidents collected still varied.

There is much variety in statistics obtained from the different sources that have collected mass shooting information, with little overlap among databases.

Researchers should advocate for a standard definition that considers both fatalities and nonfatalities to most appropriately convey the burden of mass shootings on gun violence."

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0226-7

Anyway, the AR15 isn't going anywhere soon.

Indeed Alabama Republican Congressman Barry Moore just introduced legislation to declare that the AR15 is the "National Gun of America."

The legislation would “declare an AR-15 style rifle chambered in a .223 Remington round or a 5.56x45mm NATO round to be the National Gun of the United States.”

Now, looking at the weapons on the wall behind him, which one would be your choice as a hunting weapon ?

https://www.al.com/politics/2023/02/alabama-congressmans-bill-would-make-ar-15-the-national-gun-of-america.html

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@thecurious1
It appears my ability to quote posts is somehow broken

>What social change will reduce mass shootings ?
What are the characteristics of mass shooters?

This will be a bit of a long tangent and we should get past the semiautomatic rifle and definition issue first.

>The thread title is Mass Shootings.
Yes and the GVA has a definition of "mass shootings" that gives a much more representative sample.

Do you disagree that if 4 individuals are shot in one incident that this counts as a "mass shooting"? Why?

Unless you're trying to argue that 10 people injured (fits the GVA def, not the FBI) is "better" than 3 dead (FBI def). Note the FBI def excludes gang violence and family related violence too. Now, what kind of weapons are used in gang violence.. ohh its not AR-15's. Hmmmmm.

Like I said. If your goal is "ban semis" you would use the FBI definition as it biases the sample. If that's what you want to do, okay, but then you can't be surprised when someone questions why.

The sample is tiny. More people die due to being punched in the US, and so why does a group of 6 people shot with a specific make and model of rifle matter more than 6 individual murders? Or 6 people killed by a van?

>which one would be your choice as a hunting weapon ?
Shotgun looks like a nice one for birds (my brother has a straight pull and a semi shotgun would be much more convenient) the rifle under it seems appropriate enough for general use depending what its chambered in.

What's your point, exactly? You ask these obtuse questions that I cannot understand the meaning of.