@whereu"
Wotsup tries to sidetrack the conversion by bringing in other wostup pet topics like his validations on the Trinity and whereu beliefs.This a sure sign that wotsup has become desperate because his validations fail."
No, this is only to show others WHY you cannot see the clear Bible support against your deluded conclusions and WHY they are deluded.
You are clearly interpreting from a Bias view point, but due to the delusions, you have zero chances of being able to see this black and white case.
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"Here is some scripture that covers more than 2 verses to make it clear to you that Jesus preexisted."Colossians 1:15-19 (New International Version)
15 The Son is the image so was the 2nd Adam = big deal, no support for pre-existing of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. In the mind and plans of God, as many scriptures support and all people with some sanity, know all our creations begin in us. Not to mention, the likes of Luke makes it very clear in child like language, that Jesus was not literally the firstborn of creation.
16 For in logic for those with a brain know, nothing could literally be created "in" Jesus. As the above shows and sets the context, that God had a plan first of all for a Jesus to be, logic then tells us, that because of this plan, as in "IN" it (him to be) all things were created him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Through - God and God alone and by himself, created all things Isa 44:24, Psa 33:6,9, so that demands that we LOOK to exactly what "through" means in this verse and what better place to go than to the Greeks themselves, to let them tell us of their words.dia: through, on account of, because of
Original Word:διά
Part of Speech:Preposition
Transliteration:dia
Phonetic Spelling:(dee-ah')
Definition:through, on account of, because of
Usage:(a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of. -> Well looky here, we have the same theme that Col 1:15 etc began with, Yehowah and Yehowah alone created for all these reasons, for the future one to be, just as the above verse clearly shows, for those that want truth.
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. That has already been made clear above, in the mind of God, the one to be in the future, was the firstborn of creation. Eph 3:9, hence before all other things come to mind and with this future one in mind, "in him" all thing hold together, because of this future one to be.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead no one is against this, but zero to do with support for pre-existing, so that Lights on here mate, are YOU paying attention in everything he might have the supremacy. Might have, so if he failed his mission, he would not of held supremacy, meaning a said pre-existing Jesus did NOT have supremacy prior to death etc, hence he did Not pre-exist, just like the 1st Adam didn't pre-exist outside of the mind and plans of God.
19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, This does absolutely zero for pre-existing support. Jesus tells us the Father dwelt in him = Holy Spirit without measure and God actually doing all the miracles that Jesus did John 14:10,11, 3:34, Acts 2:22.
To boot, God is The Word and Jesus was given the word of God without measure, so when he expressed them out, he Became the express image of Gods PERSON = Word Heb 1:3.For in him all things were created Yes, that was covered above, and the context being, because of this future one to be, that is why all things were created = in him- yes, Jesus had to have existed when all things were created for this to happen, Absolute rubbish did he have to pre-exist and not just in the mind of God. Again rubbish, the overall theme of the truth of Col, that God had made many plans centering around and for the future one to be. Even today, parents to be in the future, do things and plan things, with future children in mind = they do many things in advance for them or in them, one could say.He is before all things,- to be before all things Jesus had to exist before all things - More unsupported rubbish based on the theme of Col. He is before all things and he was the beginning of the creation of God, the firstborn of creation, in the mind and plans of God, right where ALL our creations begin, and in this plan, the Jesus to be was predestined to be slain Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, Rev 13:8 = before all other things etc.and in him all things hold together. And not just after his incarnation. Same reason as already given, it was this plan of a Jesus to be, that all things centered around, were for etc. To boot as shown above, Jesus gained much more official authority after the cross and if he had not succeeded in what he did, then some of his positions, he would Not be holding.
To exist before things were created he was not created like God was not created. No sure what language you are writing in here LOL. He simply did NOT exist before things were created -> Matt 19:4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
(If Jesus doesn't place himself there or even hint at, then why on earth would you)?For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him - yes, all Jesus' fullness and not just in his mind.Again, your lingo appears to be in another language on the latter part.
Never the less, this does ZERO to support a pre-exiting Jesus, and the subject (fullness) developed over time, his life.
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
OH NO, more proof of the Real Non pre-existing Jesus 
