China&#039;s wheels falling off

Originally posted by kingpins: ↑

Hi Mick
Communism only exists when all are supremely poor or supremacy rich and there are still a few very poor countries od which China is not one

So what is China, as an ex communistic state it has used capitalism to advance because under communism there can be only a very limited improvement
As to the Marxist system they do not qualify in that regard either as the State still controls the people owned capitalist portion so that means the State controls everything as a Dictatorship

The problem with that their original system was also a form of dictatorship, so any change has to retain the dictatorship part, which becomes a difficult balancing trick

Look at the Hong Kong situation which they are continuing to make a mess of because they demand that a free flowing capitalistic system be controlled by a dictatorship which restricts that free movement which they do not understand
It is the nature of things that when you get two virtual dictatorships they will fight in any way they can
The USA do not want to lose any of their trade benefits and money so they fight, now that China has grown and become richer they are doing the same thing, fighting and expanding their land and trading ability

It's all about mine is bigger than yours, nothing more nothing less

As to Australia it lost the plot many years ago when China started to grow in that we had stuff they had to have and so we should have made ourselves as neutral between the big two and forged our own path from a position of power

It is almost too late for that as within five years China will no longer need our stuff so will just shut us down from their block

Naturally it is no difference what color tie they wear or what flag they wave, NONE OF THEM represent the people they are supposed to represent so we the people have NO SAY in any of the regimes

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I guess we mix up economic systems with political systems
and both Marxists & Capitalists believe that over time
economics trumps politics.

We live in a world where our ideas are principally formulated
from the bottom up (big data) rather than from the top down
(ideology).

The big contest at present is the American way vs the Chinese way
and, IMO, that has still a way to go. If one considers poverty, then
I guess china has the timber on the USA in that China is gradually
taking the bottom quartile of its people out of poverty while the
US bottom quartile is lapsing more into poverty. That is evidenced
by the growth in homelessness and 44 million Yanks on food stamps.

The Middle Class is growing a flyshit in China while the Middle Class
while the US middle class seems to have plataued .

The upper Classes in both countries are growing wealth at a rate of knots as evidenced by
the growth of Billionaires .

Ideologically for China the wealth gap is by far a bigger issue than it is for the
Yanks who still harbour that mythical "American Dream". That's why, IMO , one dare not
criticise the US Billionaire Class because US RW Populists with the asses out of their pants
seem to say (That is if they ever heard of WB Yeats "Thread softly or you will thread on my dreams"

But of course to criticise the Chinese CCP means a stretch in jail!

The Chinese Government simply deprived the poor of their liberty
as it took up to 800 Million out of abject poverty and of course
one has to seriously ask does US liberty trump US homelessness.
Is one happier to be 'free" and living in poverty or 'unfree" and
having a normal working class existence? (at least not homeless
or on Government food handouts)

I guess if one wakes up in the morning and doesn't know where
the next meal is coming from, that politics and/or ideology is
not such a big issue..eh?