It’s really Sunmas, not Christmas., page-48

  1. RM
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    In fact, we are explicitly commanded not to learn the way of the nations, nor to be held captive by human tradition

    FutureCEO not quite we see Jesus attend the celebration of non canonical events which were in reality a national military victory.

    22 Then came the Festival of Dedication
    at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


    The festival of Dedication began in the inter testament period this Jewish celebration which is not canonical but we see Jesus attend the event.
    The Festival of Dedication is also called the Festival of Lights or the Feast of Maccabees it falls on Christmas day/eve every 15 years or so. Today the Jews commonly refer to it as Hanukkah, gifts are exchanged and special food is made with decorations during the celebration and it is time spent with family.

    This festival came about by the Jewish revolt and cleansing of the Temple of pagan gods and in the Apocrypha records the miracle of lights. This miracle is recorded in non canonical Jewish sources. It describes the Maccabees discovering the golden menorah with 7 lamps in the Temple but the only consecrated oil that was sealed and not tainted would last for a single day yet the dedication would run for 8 days. The olive oil had to be beaten then allowed to slowly drain they did not have time to make new oil as normal cold pressed oil was not allowed. The Jews decided to use the one day supply of oil yet it lasted for the 8 days. Hence the name of the festival of lights. There is some biblical parallel with such a miracle if one recalls back to 1Kings 17;12-16 were the widow supplied the prophet Elijah with food yet she had virtually no oil but the oil as prophesied by Elijah did not run out.

    With that aside the Bible does not mention things without reason and that is where the starting point for any keen biblical student should be. The feast of lights although centred on the Temple actually did not require compulsory attendance nor much of the other restrictions that were usually in place with other Jewish celebrations. The fact that Jesus chose to actually attend the temple during the Festival of Lights as described in John 10 this fact should not be missed it is not a coincidence. Just shortly before his attendance in John 8 and in John 9 Jesus describes himself as the light of the world

    John 8:12
    Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

    John 9:5
    As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

    Jesus also in John 9 cured the blind man so he could see the light, this all occurred shortly before He attendant the Feast of Lights where the non canonical tradition stated he did not have to be at the place of God's presence. The Jews in Solomon's Colonnade wanted to know was he the Christ and Jesus made the statement concerning salvation that I and the Father are one.



    During the first night of the Festival of Lights or Hanukkah as it is called today. The festival actually starts on the 25th of Kislev, usually this falls between November 27th to December 27th, a common Jewish tradition is reciting from the Torah this following passage.

    Genesis 1
    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

    Another tradition of the festival is that a woman usually lights the first candle of the menorah because it is women who participate in the miracle of bringing forth life.


    So @FutureCEO Jesus did celebrate non canonical traditions but although The Festival of Lights does fall fairly regularly on Christmas day was Jesus born on this day?
    Well no.
    why?
    well the angelic proclamation tells us it could have been during winter but earlier.

    Luke 2:8-12
    Angels Announce the Birth of Jesus
    8 Shepherds were in the fields near Bethlehem. They were taking turns watching their flock during the night. 9 An angel from the Lord suddenly appeared to them. The glory of the Lord filled the area with light, and they were terrified. 10 The angel said to them, “Don’t be afraid! I have good news for you, a message that will fill everyone with joy. 11 Today your Savior, Christ the Lord, was born in David’s city. 12 This is how you will recognise him: You will find an infant wrapped in strips of cloth and lying in a manger.”

    If it was during winter then it would have been too cold for the shepherds to have been out during the night with their flock, so what time if not winter was Jesus born. Well no one knows the day but most Biblical scholars would posit September or October which falls on the Feast of Tabernacles not the feast of Lights. If that is the case then the virgin Mary would have conceived Jesus during the Festival of Lights of the previous year.

    John 9:5
    As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”




    Why did the early Christians of the 4th century AD like the 25th of December was it supplanting pagan traditions by superimposing a Christian feast? Well suppression of the enemy is always a good military tactic but if the light of the world was in the Virgins womb during Feast of Lights the light was in the world and the early Christians new that the light would just grow. Let us ask one of the early proponents of the date this question one of the early Christians why they saw fit to celebrate like the wise men the birth of Jesus Christ on the 25th of December.

    Saint Augustine of Hippo
    Hence it is that He was born on the day which is the shortest in our earthly reckoning and from which subsequent days begin to increase in length. He, therefore, who bent low and lifted us up chose the shortest day, yet the one whence light begins to increase.




    It was the light that came into the world that shone brighter by the day was what they wanted to celebrate and the light was in the world.
    FutureCEO most of what you wrote in our post was just dribble the clay pot is missing a shard and I do not think you will find it where you are at.
    Maybe a new avatar is a start

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    Last edited by RM: 17/12/23
 
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