JWs and blood, page-119

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    Unfortunately whereu,it seems you fail to see what a discussion forum is

    The Rcc make big claims,so do their adherents,some on this forum

    Points were made about the trinity,ie 1 corinthians 8.6 etc not addressed from the bible,we get everything other than the thing they say they believe in

    Points were made about Rome themselves claim about these changes in Romes challenge to protestantism,ignored by you and others

    Maybe try to not take it personally when people disagree with you
    You may well be the 1st atheistic apologist ive seen for the Rcc

    Rm and Ppms replies were just rants about Jack chick etc and ucg ,who cares,address the issue and then move on,the trinity was challenged Romes authority of bible believing Christians was challenged,somehow Ppm thinks its a defence to post derogatory things about the catholic priest Martin Luther also as some sort of defence?
    Why,it has nothing to do with the subject at hand,the points were made the trinity changes the relationship between the father and son,of which JC said was the foundation of christianity Matthew 16.16

    My apologies to you if you're offended by wanting to see evidence for these claims and having them ignored,if you want to address them,happy to engage

    Daniel 7.25 (KJV)
    25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time

    Revelation 17.9 (KJV)
    9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    Is Rome built on 7 Mountains?
    Well, Rome is also known as The City of Seven Hills. Why? Because this ancient city was built on and around seven hills: Capitoline, Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian and Aventine. All of them form the core of the modern Italian capital

    Does the pope make claims about his authority over the world?



    What is the gift of infallibility?

    The dogma of infallibility was formally proclaimed at the First Vatican Council in 1870. There are several requirements for a dogmatic, papal infallible pronouncement: (1) The pronouncement must be made by the lawful successor to Peter. (2) The subject matter must be in the area of faith and morals. (3) The pope must be speaking ex cathedra, that is from the very seat and office of Peter. In this way he must be specifically intending to proclaim a doctrine, binding the entire Church to its assent. If one or more of these elements is missing, there is no infallible pronouncement. Most "examples" of papal "errors" emerge when critics ignore the necessity of these three points. (Madrid, pp. 135-136, Pope Fiction)

    Biblical Basis and Tradition

    The infallibility of the pope is certainly a doctrine that has been more clearly understood over time, but is not one that was invented in 1870. It is clear in Scripture that Christ promised the protection of the Holy Spirit, saying, "I will ask the Father and he will give you another Paraclete—to be with you always; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, since it neither sees him nor recognizes him because he remains with you and will be within you . . . . the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send will remind you of all that I have told you" (John 14: 16-17, 26). "When the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you to all truth . . ." (John 16:14). Peter shares the gift of infallibility (a negative gift in the sense it keeps him from teaching error on matters of faith and morals) with the other apostles and their successors, the bishops.

    The "pope" (an Italian word meaning "father") and the bishops together are the magisterium of the Church, that is, the teaching authority. As Jesus said, "He who listens to you, listens to me" (Luke 10:16); "all that you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Mt. 18:18). When bishops of the world meet together summoned by the papacy, they meet in ecumenical council, which if held at the Vatican is referred to as a Vatican council. They are usually called infrequently only at times of pivotal or critical moments in the life of the Church.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.catholicfaithandreason.org/papal-infallibility.html&ved=2ahUKEwjrh87N6quDAxXRzjgGHRYBAoMQFnoECEoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vYzDEL4WoUTFRzS5qVQb_

    These are the things I challenge whereu
    I have a right to do so,even though you disagree and believe in the trinity and the Rcc ,I disagree and give proof of why,which is not addressed.
 
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