Russia Ukraine war

Originally posted by moorookamick: ↑

The basic principles of negotiations are:
(a) That both party's needs are clearly articulated
(b) That common ground is agreed on if possible
(c) That negotiable elements are isolated from "Red Line" elements and resolved
(d) That 3rd parties at arms length are invited to find solutions to remaining areas of conflict.

On this thread we are only getting one distorted portrayal of the war...Ukraine-Russian conflict
which "avoids" qualifying all the variables in this conflict , namely:
-Russia invaded the Ukraine ," stole Ukrainian land in its leader's quest to expand The Federation of Russia"

Instead, there should be a clear list of grievances from both sides which should be accepted as such.
Then let the negotiations begin.

This war is crueling the Ukraine and its people without much real prospect of the Ukraine
having its pre-2014 territory restored, IMO ; so logically the solution is a negotiated compromise preceded
by a ceasefire.

Had this happened last year, then thousands of Ukrainian lives would have been saved, and further thousands
of severe war casualties would have been avoided not to mention the billions of $s saved which could have
went into repairing at least some of the war damage.

And to those who say that all this human sacrifice is justified for the sake of territory and national egotism
well good luck with the death cult.

Lets look at the extreme:
Supposed that Russia Nuked the Ukraine , killed all its people except a handful. but were compelled
to return all Ukrainian conquest land to the Ukraine.....would that sacrifice be justifiable for sovereignty/freedon's sake?

Now lets take the other extreme: If magically that the Ukraine was restored to its pre 2014 status but was
absolutely prohibited from joining NATO & the EC ....no deaths and destruction.....would that be acceptable?

We now have something in between without a credible resolution in sight so long as the current
belligerent leaders and their backers are calling the shots.

And for those with a death wish , there's an answer:
-That NATO waives its membership requirements and accepts the Ukraine into NATO immediately;
then we have WW3.....a NUKE war.......good night nurse!

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-Russia invaded the Ukraine ," stole Ukrainian land in its leader's quest to expand The Federation of Russia"

which is EXACTLY what happened ....in NO WAY a dsitortion as you attempt to pretend in your crusade for russia and to hide the truth

putin has set conditions- ecognition of legality of the 4 oblasts as russian - even though he can't fully capture ANY of them ...he isn't INTERESTED inany negotiation - he has said that recently
when asked about negotiated settlement ........."peace will come when our objectives have been accomplished"

the days of you pretending neutral are long gone - that lie fully exposed .