Russia Ukraine war, page-209577

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    Look mate, you are doing the
    "*** argument" again
    wrongfully characterising my posts
    as pro Russian when in essence they are
    anti-War because IMO, war is a failure of civilisation
    and all that we hold near & dear.

    For example somewhere between 55 million and 75 million
    lives were lost in WW2 . Did the outcome justify that
    or would it have been wiser/more civilised to have
    found an alternative means of dealing with Nazi Germany
    and its Axis? IMO yes.

    IMO, the continuation of this Ukrainian war (proxy The West vs Russian Federation)
    is simply sleepwalking us into WW3 and the "death cultist" advocates on these
    threads are inadvertently wishing for that, IMO.

    Im keenly aware that the principle of Sovereign rights features in our difference of
    opinion on this war:
    (a) That you maintain that the Ukraine has Sovereign Right to join NATO
    and by implication allow NATO (defacto the USA) to base WMDs aimed at
    Russian population centres on its soil and to curtail Russian Naval access
    to the Black Sea .

    (b) Me: That Sovereign Rights are limited if their exercise pose a perceived risk
    to a neighbour's National Security; particuluarly if that neighbour is a Great Power.

    Let me give you an historical example: The Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Now let me give you a hypothetical derivative of that (you like logic according to you):

    That PNG as a member of China's BRI joins China's Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
    and agrees to China basing WMD in southern PNG aimed at Aus.

    Which of (a) or (b) above would apply in your opinion (and dont prevaricate ....just answer the question please?)

    And so it is with this Ukrainian War, IMO. Russia as a Great Power only 2nd to the USA in Nuke ability,
    sees a NATO WMD equipped Ukraine as a Sovereign threat just as it has seen that of Georgia joining NATO#.
    To canvass the silly argument that this war is all about Putin's land grab (stealing land) may make sense to
    a primitive farmer in the 3rd world but is absurd when you consider that Russia is the biggest country in
    the world by landmass (most unexplored/undeveloped) with a relatively small population.

    if your pursuit of personal happiness leads you that that fantasy, then who am I to prevent that...eh mate?

    PS: And finally, why is NATO offering membership to Georgia now?




 
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