"All authority is given to you by you to mass debate, wotsup."
Mark 8:34 - And when he had called the peopleunto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
John 8:31, 32 - Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Matt 10:22 - You will be hated by everyone because of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
His name -> The Word of God, and he would NOT bend the truth of his Fathers words for anyone, likewise, wotsup follows his lead, which obviously due to the numerous deceptions out there, there will be masses of debates, truth, it would seem is a dirty word for many. ------------- "he simply express's out of his own mouth," -> the words that the only true God and Father gave him and raised him in.
"Yes, that is right, wotsup, out of his mouth. Jesus tells the tempter whose mouth he is. Read it. A God with an arm and a mouth which is Jesus as written. You keep telling us to back it up with the bible and the bible clearly states it. You don't like it. You refuse to see because your eyes have been blinded and your heart hardened but the bible backs it up."
Jesus was NOT a God when he was here, as he Clearly defines in John 17:3, the only true God at that time, Jesus says was the Father, and that is loud and clear in the Bible and NOT your false claim. He spoke = the Son of God expressed out the words that he was given, DRRRR and Not with God's mouth, so that lollypop of yours, you have sucked dry, it's all gone. -------------- Hmmm, so tell us Gummy Bear, where, when and what for, did your created pre-existing one, fall out of favour with God ????
"A stupid person thinks that when someone gains favour by someone, that they were out of favour previously to that someone. It could be so but not in all cases." DRRRR, if he pre-existed as you clowns claim and Co equal etc, then he would obviously already be in Favour, big time, especially for what he was about to do. As per all you 3 sun god worshipers, none of you can address the fact that a said pre-existing one, became in favor with God, which suggests, if he did pre-exist, then something went wrong. The verse says absolutely zero that this is only referring to the flesh aspect of Jesus and to say so, is to corrupt the clear intended meaning of the word of God.
"As for pre existing, the bible backs that up as well. But you don't like that either."
Only for the Deluded and Not for those of God. You had that seed planted, hence you interpret verses to suit that seed, instead of letting the Bibles overall, clear and obvious speak. Never ever do we see an OT prophesy for the future Jesus, that some being of a kind existing, would come down and take on flesh, or opt into Mary's womb what a profound and mind boggling claim you lot make, from ZERO scriptures.
OK then smarty, lets see if you can do what None of your sun god worshipers can do. Provide a verse, pre the cross where Jesus says, I go BACK to the Father, as if he pre-existed, he would certainly have said so, so we all on H/C await for your quote. Don't provide nonsense like ppm with verses, I go to the Father, as that is NOT going Back to the Father. ----------------- PS. I will NOT be sucking on your lollypops in the last para, they have a smelly use by date on them now, not to mention, extremely childish.
what a profound and mind boggling claim you lot make, from ZERO scriptures.
