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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
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Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I haven't posted on this platform for a while, more due to lack of time than intent.
However, as was noted here by the previous poster, something quite interesting seems to be going on in the scarce and precious metals space of late, and as the current discussion happens to tie into some independent research that I have been preoccupied with, I feel the time is ripe to end my longstanding hotcopper hiatus.
Watching the recent dynamics that have been playing out in the gold and silver space, I have been formulating a theory, in line with some of the aforementioned research that I've been engaged in.This research was prompted by a report from the IEA that caught my eye in recent weeks, the focus of which is levels of access to electricity around the world.
The International Energy Association periodically release these every few years, with the latest of these being released at the end of last year, with the data covering the period up to the end of 2022.
I try to keep an eye out for these releases, though they are easy to miss, with each release being years apart. The latest release, like the previous report in 2020, shows that electrification continues expand across the globe. So, nothing to see here?
Well, not quite. After subjecting these figures to close review, one pattern that grabbed my attention is that over recent years, the pace of electrification around the world has been accelerating.
Most notably, within the past five years, no less than four major Asian countries have achieved the major milestone of attaining of universal access to electricity, or at least have come very close to doing so.
The fact that the two largest of these countries, India and Indonesia, have now apparently achieved this goal didn't come as a surprise, as the topic has been broached by the media over recent years.
But I did find it surprising that two other major countries, Bangladesh and the Philippines, had both hit the 99%+ mark by the end of 2022, accordng to the IEA figures.These are all major Asian countries, with a collective population of almost 2 billion.
Even the Philippines, the smallest of these, nearly matches Japan, which is currently the fourth-largest economy in the world, in the population stakes.
Why is this significant? I think this is probably best explained by means of a table, which I've based on the data from the IEA reports, as well as GDP per capita figures sourced from the IMF.The table below shows nine Asian countries, the current per capita GDP, as well as the decade in which the electrification of the country was completed. You'll notice that a pattern becomes apparent.
Of these countries, China sits at the very bottom, as it was the first in line, with its rate of access to electricity climbing to the 99%+ level in the early years of the 2000s. Thailand and Malaysia hit the same milestone later that decade. Vietnam and Sri Lanka both crossed the line in the mid 2010s, and Indonesia did likewise at the end of that decade.
As mentioned above, the Philippines and Bangladesh have only very recently joined the electric club, which leaves us with India.
The Modi government claimed India had achieved 100% electrification back in 2018, but in truth, this assessment was probably overly optimistic. More plausibly, the country hit that mark within the past few years, which would be in line with the progress of its neighbour, Bangladesh, which is why I lumped India with the 2020s band of countries.
However, I'm getting distracted: the key point here is that four major countries, with a collective population of around 1,980 million, are now fully electrified. That hasn't happened before.
When China, which then had a population of around 1.3 billion, completed its electrifcation drive just over two decades ago, that was undoubtably consequential. What we have seen in the past few years is comparable, though on a still greater scale. The number of people around the globe gaining access to electricity of late is historically unprecedented, with consequences that are likely to be material and lasting.
As is evident in the table above,the GDP per capita of a country tends to soar after a nation attains universal access to electricity. Notice that the three countries that gained full access to electricity in the 2000s all have more than double the GDP per capita of the trio of newcomers.?
Now, I'll take a step back, and focus on why all of the above might prove to be consequential for precious metals.
Between the year 2000 and 2011, the gold price surged, rising from around US $275 per ounce in 2000 to over $1,800 in 2011, representing a more than six-fold increase in value.
If you are going to ask what was behind that spectacular rise, I think you could probably fairly sum it up in one word: 'China'.
There were probably a few China-specific factors helping to drive gold ever higher in the early years of this century: The Chinese government, for example, was actively encouraging its citizens to buy gold.
But of course, that wouldn't have been particularly effective if the populous didn't have any money to buy gold. In the event, they did.
The reason for this, is that in the early years of the 2000s, China's population crossed the 100% electricity access threshold, and in the wake of electrification, the GDP per capita of the population started to surge. As China's GDP per capita rose, so did the gold price, as the rising middle class of that country sought out assets to deploy and display their wealth.
Today, four Asian countries with a combined population of approximately two billion are at a comparable developmental stage to that of China about twenty years back.
If you consider the implications of this, the recent strength in the gold price might start to make more sense.
Now, it would be tempting to draw a simple conclusion from this. Maybe something like: 'We've seen this movie before- Buy gold!'
While that sentiment might sense on the face of it, I think some caution is warranted.
While I can't see how the macro backdrop described above wouldn't be positive for gold over the long run, there are some key differences between the early 2000s and today that have to be borne in mind.
The most significant of these simply relates to the price.
In the year 2000, on the eve of the China boom, gold was an unloved commodity. Anyone who had bought a lump of the stuff ten years earlier would be harbouring a loss, and if you'd bought it twenty years earlier you'd be sitting on a significant loss.
That isn't true today. Whether you bought gold ten years ago, or twenty years ago, you'd be sitting on some handsome profits. The gold price today is eight times higher than it was in the year 2000.
So, in my view, gold just doesn't appear to be underappreciated today, as was certainly the case at the dawn of the century.
In light of this, I think gold could be at risk of a correction, or perhaps even some kind of 'flash crash' at some stage in the near future. Given the current price, you have to assume that it would be very attractive to mine gold at the moment, and at time of writing, there would not appear to be any shortage of companies itching to do so, judging by the multitude of locally listed gold stocks.
So, if not gold, than what? No prizes for guessing the answer to that one.
While gold has been in the headlines of late, I suspect the canny cats are paying more attention to silver.
Whereas gold has risen around eight-fold in the past twenty-four years, silver is up only five-times. It certainly has the look of a commodity that has been left in the dust.
However, if we assume that India's economic growth will mirror the pattern that unfolded in China some twenty years ago, this might also have interesting implications for silver.
It is hard to conclusively prove this, but there is reason to suspect that silver might hold more cultural traction in India than it does in China.
So if the per capita income of India was to surge in the years ahead, would that mean more Indians would gravitate towards silver, rather than gold? It is hard to determine, but it is a distinct possibility.
Finally, as has been highlighted here previously, there is good reason to believe that silver is also more supply-constrained than gold, and probably much more so.
I think it is illustrative to compare the number of ASX listed gold explorers to their silver focused peers. There are too many gold explorers to name. But not so with silver. I think I'd capture most of them is a line or two: Silvermines, Investigator, Argent Minerals, Manuka, Boab. Maybe Austral, if you are being generous.
Thomson are currently walking a high-wire, and it could go either way. White Rock have already fallen by the wayside, with their assets having recently been picked up by Legacy. I'm sure there are a few silver companies I've missed, but probably not too many others.
In closing, I think it is plausible that the 'electric growth' of those four Asian nations might be starting to stir the precious metals pot. As incomes rise in these countries, you'd expect that the populations of these countries would steadily start to accumulate more gold and silver.
All the above would suggest that there could be considerable upside for gold, and given the challenged supply situation, perhaps even more so for silver, over the years ahead.
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Lots of reading today!
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