perhaps you could define and agree on a definition for a "downramper" then, logically it is the exact opposite of above, switch out "upramper" for "downramper" in you dialogue above and you can get an accurate idea of how you are sometimes viewed, switch it around and look at yourself, your view above is completely one sided, you are no saint.
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