Ann: Cleansing Notice, page-40

Your post is clearly structured. I have read it all. It is not gone and I am ready and willing to continue discussing the rest of it (without any particular urgency if work of other things restrict your time) but I want to go in stages.

You including you quoting me -

“Why do you say I'm ignoring it? There is no evidence of that. I'm treating it like it doesn't matter.”

What you’ve said indicates you’ve misunderstood the mechanism of an option. Options do matter and are valuable. That’s worse than ignoring it.

I don't believe anything I wrote (anywhere above or ever) indicates I've misunderstood the mechanism of an option.

So on what basis do you say that? Where exactly do you see me indicating such a misunderstanding?

If the only reference you have is back to my own quoted statement above (in this post repeated)- then you have misunderstood me (I meant it doesn't matter to my argument - not that it doesn't matter at all ever, or that it doesn't matter to your argument).

I want a fair and adult discussion.

I have grievances frankly. Some pretty long standing. I do feel some long standing holder posters on this forum do owe me something - like an apology in some cases for ticking ad hominen when not responding (or ignoring - evening shunning) would do and would have been within the rules of the forum whereas ad hominem (the expression of character attacks - especially when there is nothing else in the posts except those) is clearly outside of the site rules. Its just that the rules are routinely not upheld. Also I hate going to moderators.

Iincluding (still talking about my grievances) with shareholders that are in my opinion excessively and unhealthily trusting of directors - which in turns makes those directors get a free ride that they wouldn't get if my fellow holders weren't so excessively trusting. I want to make the case that you and artephius are amongst those shareholders - that you are praising what you do not have sufficient evidence yet to praise - an incomplete deal - because you two in particular do not know enough of the details of any incomplete deal that you are praising - that's what I want to do.

So let us proceed systematically. That mean you answer my questions as well not just expect I answer yours and let you not answer mine as you just ask another one.

You made the options aspect important to you I think early by saying in your opinion I was ignoring or overlooking it. I denied that. I also answered you question (which if this was a debate for points in front of impartial others I wouldn't do until we dealt with the first matter my grievance about you and other holders first - because addressing phoney charges is falling for a rhetorical stunt) but it isn't - I can take my time and hear you.

I asked already and you didn't answer - here -

(you in bold me underneath)
I wouldn’t be surprised if it expires prior to results being released.

So you don't know either

And even after reading your latest reply you still don't know to be true that which you said "I wouldn't be surprised" to be true in fact do you?

I told you I am relying on the announcement - if you have more than the announcement, like statements from Kilian, and say so I'd be very strongly inclined to believe you, and we can put facts into any worked comparison but you can't have secret information that is mere presumption you assume to be true or have some great self confidence that you know more about options than I do and expect me to credit that - because you being too trusting of Kilian is already my concern about you.

Whether there is in fact in this case a permanent option however rare (in your opinion) or not - I don't care about (I don't need you to teach me 3percent of 1000 sales etc -that stuff is trivially easy - (but I do want on the record whether you have asked or verified your presumption with Kilian) so I am asking you explicitly have you?

Everything else about your post we can still deal with next. But you need to answer earlier questions before asking later ones - when I do that too - and I did even though I thought your question irrelevant - its unfair otherwise