A: Ukraine should be able to join NATO even with lost territories!
B: How's that going to benefit Ukraine?
A: Russia won't dare to attack a NATO country!
B: So Ukraine is defending European borders at the moment?
A: Absolutely! If Ukraine loses, Putin will go for the Baltic states!
B: Aren't those Baltic states members of NATO?
A: Yes.
B: So you are saying that Putin wants to attack countries that are in NATO already?
A: Yes, he's very evil!
B: If you say that Putin wants to attack NATO, how would Ukraine joining NATO make any difference?
A: SHUT UP, YOU ARE PUTIN'S MOUTHPIECE! AGENT OF THE KREMLIN! SHUT UP!!!!