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You have lost,
-> I have lost absolutely ZERO, you have NOT by ANY means been able to show that this is a false statement ->
Jesus independently of himself references the Father as the only true God in 17:3, when he was here
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Out of curiosity and fairness to you and to make sure I wasn't applying a one eyed view (mine),
which I do NOT believe you are able to do, I went to the net and LOOKED at numerous said trinity followers answers to 17:3.
OH MY OH MY, they are even more creative than you, it is totally staggering and if 2 Thes 2:11 is NOT in play, then I'm bloody Father Xmas
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Every single point come verse they tried to use, if you bring in the verses that they conveniently leave out, ALL their points get rolled in seconds.
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"Some info for you, you are obsessed with the Trinity, that notion is far removed from the first christians and with Christ, the bible main focus is on the unity of the Father and Jesus, as one, then an other advocate was sent, the Holy Spirit
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"Obsessed with the trinity" -> you bet, as based on what you lot define a cult or heretic as and Idol worship, the trinity fits that with perfection, and way more.
"First Christians" -> You provided said historical evidence which ONLY went back to around the 100's and what they began teaching there, is NO WHERE to be found in the Bible = The very first Christians, taught NO such thing as a trinity,
as clearly evidenced from the Bible, for those of God.
"As one" -> Yes, one in word which automatically brings Unity in One (when you know the truth of what one in word means), with the God and Fathers end plan, to be all in all, by the way of the Holy Spirit that he is and his Word that he is, his expressed words being his person expressed Heb 1:3.
Hence Jesus is deemed as a Word of Him, titled "The" as he is the results of the word that came down = Luke and Became the Key carrier of it, the word of God = the word of Life which was with and IN the Father and manifested in and out of Jesus, After he raised Him Deu 18:18, Rev 19:13, which 19:12 says, no one knows this name =
what it means and represents.
"then another advocate was sent, the Holy Spirit" -> Yes that is correct, but it is also Vital to know what this "another" is or who and it is a twofold answer.
1. Another, as Jesus would be leaving, the Key carrier of the God and Father words.
2. Another, the 2nd would also be leaving = the God and Father who IS the Holy Spirit that dwelt in Jesus John 14:10, enabling him, to speak the God and Fathers words -> John 17:8 -
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me (Raised him in Deu 18:18); and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth (mouth) from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me = (After his Baptism John 17:18 for ex).
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for (because Luke 4:18) God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John 6:45 -
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God (Father 17:3).’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. (No one comes to me unless the Father draws him = via his word).
Isa 54:13 - Then all your sons will be taught by Yehowah (Father), and great will be their prosperity.
John 16:14 -
He (Spirit of Truth -> Father) = shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine (words), and shall shew it unto you.
John 14:26 - But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 14:17 - the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
= 2 Cor 6:16 - And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God (Father). As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
AND - 1 Cor 6:19 - Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit (Father) within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
Paul is clearly interchanging God who Jesus identifies as the Father 17:3, with the Holy Spirit as they ARE one in the same, hence WHY Jesus makes NO reference to needing to know this CREATED Holy Spirit person in 17:3, which doesn't exist.
No way is Paul saying here, that there are two persons here in your Temple, no chance.
Therefore, if you have this created Holy Spirit person, come Idol in your Temple, you need to kick him OUT the Door quick smart 
, GO GET , as Jesus says, they are a thief and robber John 10:1
NOTE -> Spirit of Truth -> Before you go and get all creative, trying to prove the above false, which it is NOT, the Spirit of Truth, and Holy Spirit, depending on context, can be referred to as he, him, it, this, that, same etc, hence why no words of Jesus's says, I will send the Father.
Hence, in places, INCORRECT interpretations have been used.
But the overall of the above quotes, makes it VERY CLEAR and in fact demands, who the Helper etc is.
God is Spirit and not "a" Spirit, hence he can give of himself, whatever measure he so choses.
Logic and common sense tells one, Jesus set the stage as to what was going to follow.
Hence you might say he was the first human Temple and we know full well who was in his = Father alone.
Hence in Rev, ZERO Holy Spirit person, on top of the Father and Son, making up The Temple.
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"It was through the Jews and people as yourself objection to Jesus that it came to the realization of who he was, or the Trinity"
It is through the Jews and the likes of me, that stand by Jesus's clear words of TRUTH, that the Father alone, he independently of himself, referenced as the only true God when he was here and Jesus also confirms his words in 17:3, by drawing upon the OT scriptures -> Hear, Israel! Yehowah our God Yehowah ONE is.
Yehowah is the Father and NO WAY is he 3 persons DRRRRRRRRRRRRR!.
Hence I have zero objection to the REAL 2nd Adam Man Jesus who was MADE by the word and power = Holy Spirit that the Father is.
Like Paul, this is what I object to -> 2 Cor 11:3, 4 - [SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]But I fear, lest somehow [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=16px](through the CC's),[/SIZE][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] as the serpent deceived Eve by his[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR]
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(Corrupted Luke's clear and simple message, of the all time beginnings of the 2nd Adam Man).
4 - For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
Christian = Follower of Christ -> HOUSTON, most Christians are not followers of a REAL Christ -> Houston to wotsup, yea mate that will continue because 2 Thes 2:10, 11 UNTIL Jesus comes 2:8 and exposes this Lawlessness - Lies.
So your trinity creators, will be very answerable imo, as I expect one of the KEY reasons the Jew reject = this fabricated impossible trinity.
The one God magically becomes 3 persons, yea right, pigs might fly.
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"like you are doing in 1:1"
Lets us, no not make man lol, let Da Greeks smack home their truth in the opener here EH.
In Beginning was the Word and the Word was to (ongoing, in progress = Toward, with) the God and God (Father) was the Word.
This; was in beginning to (ongoing, in progress = Toward, with) the God.
Now LIGHTS on CHUM, as the ongoing etc is going to be shown to be expressed following, and that INCLUDES Jesus being expressed FORTH as well, just as he says so at least 4 times in John alone.
The words To, Toward and with are in the Greek preferred order and when you do and sum up their overall definitions, there is NO WAY it is speaking of another person with the God.
1:2 UNQUESTIONABLT confirms this, WITH the ONLY Greek word definition available for their word = "This" and that again is NOT speaking of a person but a logos/plan which IS expressed by 1:3, LOUD and CLEAR in your face and Jesus expressed ZERO into creation, hence he is ONLY part of the logos/plan in 1 & 2.
The God and Father and the Word are now deemed as one in the same, while your word in you, it is YOU.
1:3 - All things were made through Him (it), and without Him (it) nothing was made that was made.
You can walk all the way through the 13 verse using "it" and the opener centers around WORD.
It is life, light etc, God is light, Father of it and his word is deemed as light, the true light that enlightens EVERY man including Adam, is was not just about to come into the world.
Yehowah the Father is introduced for the first 13 verses = Mal 3:1, Isa 40:3 which John picks up on and THEN the sudden appearance, reference of Jesus in 1:14, where he is ALREADY flesh before he comes onto the scene there.
If you don't know the Father first, you cannot possibly know who the Son is of, the purpose of John's Book.
And the Word Man -> (His description, deemed as) became = on the scene and dwelt among us and we beheld the glory (word) of Him (it) glory (word) as only begotten by the side of the Father, full of grace and TRUTH = John 17:8, 17:22, 17:17
He picks up the word of God = the word of life and runs with it and is named accordingly, to represent this - The Word of God.
The Word = Father -> Image of = The Word OF God = Son..
1:3 -> Are you ready -> Psa 33:6, 9 - By the word of Yehowah the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
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[SIZE=16px]You still not sure, then Ya better get home -> Isa 44:24 - [BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Thus says Yehowah, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR] [FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffff00][SIZE=24px]I[/SIZE][/BCOLOR] [/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffff00][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320]Yehowah[/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320],[/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffff00][SIZE=16px] who makes all[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE] [BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][I][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]things,[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/I][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] Who stretches out the heavens all [/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=#ffff00][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]alone,[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][SIZE=16px][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] Who spreads abroad the earth[/SIZE][/SIZE][BCOLOR=#ffff00][SIZE=16px] by Myself;[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]
NO threesome to be found in this clear truth.
WHY did he create, well the Inter is VERY CLEAR on that one, not only for himself but -> through, on account, by reason of, because of, for the sake of, the future one to be, whose all time ever existence would come into to being at/from Mary.
Then when the times were fulfilled -> Col 1:18 - And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Hence he went from a plan to be of having preeminence, to now physically having it, just as the scriptures clearly show.
Heb 1:2 - has in these last days spoken to us IN His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Never ever before being sent into the world, after his Baptism, has the God and Father spoken in or through him = NEVER = He is NOT The Word and neither did he say the likes of -> let there be light, which John 1:3 DEMANDS if you say he is the Word, you CANNOT separate verses 1 - 3.
YOU CANNOT FAULT THE OVERALL HERE, AND MAINTAIN TRUTH.
