Matt 5:20 or enter you won't.

Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

"Your typical word salad"

It included whole truths, not cherry picking as you're doing and then adding your interpretations to only part of the truth, going against your own advice, letting the Bible speak.

You probably don't realize it, but you have now jumped off into different directions, instead of addressing my reply to YOUR previous post, you have gone walk about LOL.

Get serious Star, not that I claim to be a scholar, but any serious credible scholars that writes on a subject, they write looooong essays.
The trinity essays are a Clear example that they write and MOST finish off with THE disclaimer, that no one can really explain it, as God is a Mystery = totally abandoning John 17:3 etc (That in itself sound alarm BELLS).

WHAT WORD BECAME FLESH as in Luke, Matt etc.

Gen 3:15 - And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”Deu 18:18 - I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.

That is known as the word = the word of God, which came from the God and Father to the Angel to Mary and hey presto, Jesus was made, created as Matt 1:18 CLEARLY puts it -> The Beginning of Jesus.

Isa 55:10, 11 - For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it produce and sprout, And providing seed to the sower and bread to the eater
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosperin the thing for which I sent it.

As Jesus become the bread FROM the Father, you could say the above is a prophesy.

Jesus confirms that he came forth from the mouth of God.
John 17:8 - For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have receivedthem, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. (John 16:27, 28 confirms this "forth" 2 more times).

Sent is ONLY in references to after his Baptism, as all sents, sending's are, as per the time stamp Gal 4:4 and;
John 17:18 - As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
(As Jesus was taught in the word by the Father and sent, likewise Jesus taught and sent them).

AS JESUS WOULD SAY, HAVE YOU NOT READ THE SCRIPTURES, are you saying the above is not true????????
If so, on what grounds?

Not a single prophesy regarding the future Jesus, even hints at, that this one to come already existed in some way shape or form = THAT sets and DEMANDS the stage for the NT = WHY do you abandon this??????? = The scriptures.

Another clear TRUTH that none of you address = If you claim Jesus is the Word in 1:1, then unquestionably 1:3 DEMANDS that you show that Jesus spoke creation into being and NO Bible verse can support that.
There is NO "The" as in - In "the" Beginning, it is referring to some time outside of the actual Gens creation, the plan or planning stages in 1 & 2, which is shown to have been expressed by 1:3 by the Father alone and by himself = another point you lot do NOT address Isa 44:24, Psa 33:6, 9.
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"John 10:30“I and the Father are one.”
One what? One God of course. Added emphasis is done by Jesus by using the "neuter" form of the Greek word for "one" here. Rather than saying that He and the Father are the same person, Jesus is claiming that He and the Father are unified as one God."

You rightfully say to let the Bible do the talking, and then go and ABANDONED that thinking = " One God of course" - unified as one God." =
WHERE did you get that creation from?
Based on what you're trying to create here = based on the following, we are all to become the One God, you can't have your cake and eat it as well.

WHY don't you pay attention to Jesus's CLEAR interpretation of what that actually means?????????

These 4 verses following are all 'word' related, the word of God the Fathers.
John 17:20 -24 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,So thatthey all may be one, as You, Father,are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
And the glory (word J 17:8) which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

"be with Me where I am" = John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(They are deemed as of above, of God, of heaven).

"Glory" = Word, words -> you can only become one as they are one, by accepting, abiding in, making the word of God your way of life etc, hence the glory here is referring to the word of God = "their word so that" -> they become one even as we are one = one in word = One in Unity so that, the God and Father maybe all in all via the Word that he is and the Holy Spirit that he is.
And yes, much of the word of God revolves around all about Jesus, hence the word of God is in effect, the Door to the Father and Son, Jesus representing the Door now and named The Word of God and not The Word = Father.

Hence -> I and the Father are one = One in word and not Jesus saying he is God, just as his CLEAR words in John 17:3 show.
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"John 5:18"Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."
Here, Jesus and the Father share the divine nature with God, being "of one essence" with His Father thus making Jesus God as well as His Father."

Once again, you're not doing what you say we should do and let the Bible speak, you have cherry picked and created an interpretation of that cherry pick.

They made the FALSE claim that Jesus was making himself equal, when in fact all he is saying is, that he is the Son of God, the very reasons that the Book of John is written for, to show you this and not that he is God, or God in the flesh or that he is the Word.

Jesus's answer to this false claim - equal with God, the Whole TRUTH -> 5:19 - Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.Acts 2:22 - Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know.John 14:28 - You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and comingback to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.John 10:29 - My Father, who has giventhem to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatchthem out of My Father’s hand.
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"John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!"
Thomas the disciple declared Jesus is Lord and God. If Thomas is saying something wrong, this is an opportunity for Jesus to correct him, but He doesn't."

Once again, you are NOT letting the Bible, the whole truth do the talking, as according to the Bible, Thomas is not referring to Jesus as God, but Lord, hence according to the Bible, there was nothing for Jesus to correct or wrong with Thomas's words.
That thinking (wrong) is just a creation/addition by men.

Yellow highlights = Jesus and green = the God and Father.
First up - John 17:3 - This now is the eternal life that they should know You (Father) the only true God and whom you have sent, Jesus Christ.

Here, unquestionably and independently of himself, Jesus references the Father alone as the only true God when he was here.
Note -> When Thomas sees Jesus, Jesus has not yet been glorified and made an only Begotten God John 1:18.

Now then, the Bible truth of what Thomas is saying/referencing with his words -> My Lord and My God.John 14:5, 10 - Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father (God) in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My ownauthority; but the Father (God) who dwells in Me does the works.

My Lord = Jesus before Thomas and My God = Father dwelling IN Jesus, both in the presence of Thomas, BECAUSE this is what the scriptures CLEARLY tell/show us, or is that Those of God ?
Thomas now believing in everything he has been told, past etc.
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"Titus 2:13"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

As Jesus would say -> Have you Not read the scriptures -> When Jesus comes, the God and Father also comes, the OT tells you this (Yehowah coming) and the odd places in the NT, hence your quote is referencing them both.
I'd assume in the same manor as to which he come, when Jesus was here, Dwelling in the Temple Jesus?

But it may not be in the same manor, based on the following.
1 John 3:1, 2 - Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. -> (John 1:11).
Beloved, now we are children of God (John 17:3 Father); and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Matt 5:8 - Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. -> (this is NOT referencing a 3 person God here).

Even if you abandon this truth, Jesus is now a Begotten God after being glorified, so your quote does not prove a 3 person God.

You used the lessor God term.
1 Cor 15:27 - For "God has put everything under His feet." Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.

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Just directly answer the questions, please. Do you believe Jesus is God, is a lesser god than the Father (much like what the JWs believe) or not God at all (such as what unitarians, Muslims and certain other religions believe)?