in fact the answer to your question ddz,is in fact they do see a fallen universe,full of destruction and kaos
evolution says we are evolving into a greater form or forms
i just dont observe that,i see degeneration and kaos lack of respect and kaos,science once said the earth was flat etc
i still see hunger on the earth,science is just as corruptable as religion,just look at the global warming agenda going on,based on a fallacy
